how we learn venture capitals to make an interview to michael cassidy and how we replicate that. we shop companies that are getting into that business and we pursue how we create that. >> how do you appeal to a u.s. entrepreneur? how do you convince them to establish some sort of presence in mexico or vice versa? >> there are two different models. one is mexico to learn the technology where we provide service capabilities. a tremendous amount of companies from ibm and hp and oracle announcing things like that and that's the kind of things that can be done and we're inviting to have a meet iing. >> what about perception of doing business in mexico? it doesn't have the greatest of reputations. >> that's what i was just going to say. this is going to be your second point. much of what mexico is doing, every country wants to draw in american investment i think but in this case mexico is coming out of the country and coming into silicon valley as well. but then that goes to your point. what sort of roadblocks are you having? >> in fact, the focus is how to go outside of the country an