michael chertoff, it was good to have you here. secretary chertoff: good to be on.ht victory for spacex. after two years and a $60 million certification process, the elon musk rocket can now compete for military launches. boeing and lockheed martin have had a lock on this market up until now with their joint venture, but spacex thinks it can do the job for less. using a falcon nine as opposed to the atlas five from boeing lockheed, they may save extreme -- may save $60 million on a mission. it could be as soon as next month. next, tivo gaining the most subscribers in eight years, and now the company has some new items in the pipeline. and bigger than most of the s&p 500? details, next. ♪ emily: a story we are watching as soon as tomorrow, broadcom announcing it is being taken over a singapore-based maker of semi conductors, that according to those with knowledge of the matter. they provide short range connections for devices with a market value of over $32 billion, and if the acquisition happens, it would be the biggest ever in the semi conductor industry. and the d

joining us to talk about this issue we welcome back michael chertoff former homeland security secretary, executive chairman of the chertoff group a global security and risk management form. good to see you again, welcome back back, sir. >> good to be on. >> here we go again. we can talk specifically about the irs problem but you're worried about a bigger problem involving internet security, aren't you? >> i am. i mean this is obviously a serious issue for the government, which has paid out a lot of money in fictitious tax refunds, but i think more generally people are worried about the security of their financial information, their health information, and if they get worried enough it's going to begin to have an impact on their willingness to engage in transactions and activity over the internet. >> how urgent mr. secretary, is it for the irs and other government agencies to ensure that their systems are as sound as possible given the amount and type of information they have on all of us? >> as the government is requiring more information and they're doing it now, for example, in the he

and then-assistant attorney general michael chertoff wrote a letter praising his "extremely valuable " but in the end, michael blutrich was sentenced to 16 years in prison, far more time than any of the mobsters he helped put away. when you heard the sentence... >> blutrich: i almost passed out. ( laughs ) i almost passed out. >> cooper: you know, you helped steal millions of dollars from an awful lot of people, from innocent people. 16 years in jail doesn't sound like a huge amount for the crime. >> blutrich: i couldn't disagree more. >> cooper: do you think you should have done any prison time? >> blutrich: i would have lived comfortably with zero to a year. >> hunt: arrogance. arrogance. i think he thought that the cooperation against the mob was so significant and so powerful that it would essentially dispense him from any culpability or punishment in florida. >> cooper: former prosecutor judy hunt says blutrich could have fared as badly as his co- conspirator sholam weiss, who was sentenced to prison for a record 845 years. but former prosecutor art leach sees it differently. you

they're joined by "washington post" columnist michael gerson and meryl chertoff from the aspen institute. it is from the philadelphia. it is 50 minutes. >> good afternoon. the first amendment to the united states constitution states that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. these words don't signal the end but rather the beginning of the spirited debate about the proper relationship between religion and the american state. in the early years of the united states some interpreted the first amendment to mean that congress couldn't establish an official religion but cities and states could. by contrast thomas jefferson described the first amendment as a erecting a wall of separation between church and state. in anderson versus the board of education the supreme court quoted jefferson's words urging this wall must be high and impregnable. lemmon against kirkman however the court recognized that some relationship between government and religious organizations is inevitable adding that the line of separation far from being

us now from washington, former director of the cia and the nsa, and now principal at the chertoff group, michaelboth. >> general no at good weekt a good week in our battle against isis. what's gone wrong? >> i think all along folks like me have understood we have the broad outlines of a strategy in iraq, not syria, but a strategy in iraq. but it's been underresourced and overregulated. it's based upon limitations probably for policy or political reasons on the american role. >> what limitations? >> well number one, joe, we have a ceiling on the number of troops. and it's kind of been directed do as much as you can within these numbers. and then within the numbers how we use the troops, they're not allowed to go forward they're not rent with the iraqi army below the brigade level. it's hard to call in air strikes when you don't have a tactical american party forward in the front line of troops. >> what do we need to do to turn it around? >> lots of things. end some of the limitations. frankly, embrace a bit horrific. "washington post" i think had it right at the very end of their editorial when t