what did you hear from them, from tom ridge, michael chertoff, janet napolitano, jeh johnson? >> guest: well, actually, michael chertoff and our current secretary, jeh johnson, both had sort of the same, the same suggestion to the public at large because i was asking let's say for the sake of argument that this can happen. and the president has warned that it could in two of his state of the union addresses. leon panetta, the former secretary of defense, warned that there could be a cyber pearl harbor. janet napolitano warned that this could happen. i mean, these are not third and fourth ranking bureaucrats. these are the very top people in our government warning that it could happen. so what's the plan, i askedded. i asked. michael chertoff and jeh johnson essentially had the same plan which was get yourself battery-powered radio to which i then replied, okay. and precisely what is it that you're going to be telling me on my battery-powered radio that you can't share with me now? neither one of them had a particularly good answer. tom ridge had a more nuanced approach. he mad

what do you hear fromthem, from tom ridge, michael chertoff, janet napolitano ?chael chertoff and our current secretary, jay johnson had sort of the same suggestion to the public at large because i was asking, let's say for the sake of argument that this can happen and the president has warned that it could in two of his state of the union addresses. leon panetta, the former secretary of defense warned there could be a cyber pearl harbor. janet napolitano warned this could happen . these are not third and fourth ranking bureaucrats. these are the very top people in our government warning that it could happen.so what's the plan i asked michael michael chertoff and jay johnson essentially had the same plan . which was, get yourself a battery-powered radio. to which i then replied, okay. and precisely what is it that you're going to be telling me on my battery-powered radio that you can't share with me now? neither one of them had a particularly good sign. tom ridge had a more nuanced approach. he made the observation with which i agree totally that we in the united

year 14 yed have to unlearn a whole lot of bad habits i've picked up out of tradition or that michael chertoff me that you just can't do that stuff. and about 42, 43, i recognized all those things i learned in third, fourth grade health class about fruits and vegetables really does matter. but you know, i thought i may be needed, i love pinto beans, lima beans, any kind, and in my culture, and i suspect your culture, read beans. >> host: >> guest: i remember when my wife started cooking pinto and she would just put chili powder, garlic powder and different kinds of spices and seasonings and i thought you're just going to ruin a good path of pinto beans. but the fact is it didn't taste bad and the benefit was it was it tasted pretty good and it was much healthier. so, unlearning our biases about what we eat, what we drink our politics, a lot of times we do things because it doesn't fit,, it fits the narrative that we want to have were we do things just strictly out of culture or tradition. you would hope we would be intellectually honest to say pinto beans with seasoning are just as good as pin