michael chertoff: so -- john donvan: okay. michael chertoff. michael chertoff: yeah. so, some companies do keep a key -- or some enterprises do keep a duplicate key because they want their employees, for example -- they want to be able to see what their employees are doing. no one is arguing on our side that tech companies should disobey court orders. if you have the capability -- if you have a key, a duplicate key, and a court ordered you to turn it over, game over. you turn it over. the question in the resolution is, is there an obligation to help -- meaning, do you have to configure your system in such a way that you'll always have that duplicate key? some companies don't maintain the duplicate key. and in that instance, they can't comply. and what the resolution would -- if congress were to adopt the principle in the resolution, congress would say, "oh, when you design encryption, you must always have a duplicate key or a backdoor." they tried to do that about 20 years ago with respect to a -- something we call a chipper clip. and it kind of failed, because there

michael chertoff: so -- john donvan: okay. michael chertoff. michael chertoff: yeah. so, some companies do keep a key -- or some enterprises do keep a duplicate key because they want their employees, for example -- they want to be able to see what their employees are doing. no one is arguing on our side that tech companies should disobey court orders. if you have the capability -- if you have a key, a duplicate key, and a court ordered you to turn it over, game over. you turn it over. the question in the resolution is, is there an obligation to help -- meaning, do you have to configure your system in such a way that you'll always have that duplicate key? some companies don't maintain the duplicate key. and in that instance, they can't comply. and what the resolution would -- if congress were to adopt the principle in the resolution, congress would say, "oh, when you design encryption, you must always have a duplicate key or a backdoor." they tried to do that about 20 years ago with respect to a -- something we call a chipper clip. and it kind of failed, because there

, michael chertoff. [applause] >> am not going to match you joke for joke, i'm going to need all of my time. i want to begin on a serious note. we obviously all deeply feel for the families who of lost loved ones in london and manchester and all of the world. we know it is important to the best we can to stop these kinds these things from happening. i will to you, and this is from experience of having been on duty on september 11, the kind of abilities tech companies provide to u.s. government to detect and prevent terrorism is vastly greater than it has ever been. there is a treasure trove of information has developed not only through metadata, who is calling the sending messages to whom, but locational data, geo -- video data, although this enhanced with artificial intelligence and analytics. all of this is made available to the government. when it is in the possession of a company provided the , government has a subpoena or some legal process. when look at the resolution, it does not say that we resol

security advisor michael chertoff. this was visit by the intelligence squared u.s.oundation in to the national constitution center in san francisco. it is just over one and a half hours. [applause]

we won't hear from michael chertoff speak about -- we will hear from michael chertoff who will speak. the government is arguable for and this resolution is of tech companies have to go further. they have to organize themselves so they have the ability to decrypt with a duplicate key all of the data transferred so they have the ability to store things you think you have deleted so they can turn that over if there is a request. under the constitution and the traditions of this country, we do not require people to organize their lives so they store everything they say and so it'd bethey say available if somebody wants to come and investigate. >> the fourth amendment says the right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures shall not be violated. it does not say against all searches and seizures or some. it is unreasonable searches and seizures. i hope everybody will at least agree that is the standard. what is reasonable? i am not going to take what is seasonable does reasonable. -- reasonable. we all have our views but i th

what exactly is michael chertoff talking about here? >> well, he's talking about the fact that an unsecure, large quantity of data was supposed to be transferred by states to a relatively unsecure computer system being developed by this commission. with it would come an extensive database of essentially every american who has voted or, you know, will vote and register to vote in the immediate future. this would give a foreign adversary, the russians, chinese an enormous piece of data they could steal and cross correlate that against known intelligence officers, military personnel, people ripe for exploration or create a level of uncertainty about who actually voted where and when. we already saw that the russians tried to penetrate voting databases. no need to give it to them all in one spot. >> is there a way that the information could be safely collected and protected? >> the point is why, what would be the purpose of this? that's where you get into politics. they want to scrub voters off the data rolls, according to whether they have

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that's the argument of michael chertoff, the former homeland security secretary under george bush whoat collecting all that information in one place would create a juicy target for foreign adversaries looking to disrupt american elections. that sound familiar to anybody? back with me, malcolm nance and bianna goal drig ga. does that sound familiar to either of you? >> it's vet familiar. chertoff is absolutely right. this would be the easiest database to steal because as we know, they had no encryption for any of these. they wanted states to upload excel files to a computer that was not secure and by doing that, anybody could take it. you know in 2015 the chinese government stole the database of many people that work for the united states government, millions almost. but imagine stealing the voter registration database of northern virginia and then scrubbing that against everybody who lives in i don't know, langley or falls church or next to the cia or fort meade, maryland in laurel and columbia right next to that. you would have the real names, addresses, social security numbers of u.

and, michael chertoff. this is cohosted by the intelligence squared u.s. foundation and the national constitution center in san francisco. [applause] >> speaking of the applause energy, because ultimately we reduced the overall evenings discourse into a 50 minute because of that we are going to do bits of production in front of you. you will see me say things

but in an op-ed in the "washington post," michael chertoff writes that president trump's voter data requestank danger to national security saying hackers could steal that data. >>> so far the fourth of july recess is not bringing senate republicans any closer to an agreement on health care. senator john mccain says yesterday that he would not support the repeal now replace later approach that the white house and other republicans have suggested. quote, i fear we may fall under the trap of repealing and not replacing and that would be bad for america. this always other gop members continue to face protests with several scheduled for the district offices of mitch mcconnell, jeff flake, marco rubio, pat toomey and rob portman. and its not just republicans. maria cantwell hosted a town hall where some of the loudest applause came after audience members called for a single payor health care system. audience members shouted for her to get behind bernie sanders' promised medicaid for all bill when he introduces it. senator sanders will be holding two rallies this sunday in morgantown, west virgini

election or civic discourse going forward and i think that'll be a constructive discussion to have michael chertoffhank you for joining us >>> thank you. we'll listen in on the senate floor as they begin on this procedural vote whether or not they'll debate on healthcare senat senat senator mccalsky already voted no >> senator murkowski voted no. >> has collins voted >> i think it is important to be clear. more so, this is a vote to proceed on a debate. this is not the healthcare vote. >> you got to go back to civic class because of all these things it is a vote to vote on whether to debate on the beginning of the debate of the end. >> yes >> if you did not get a yes on this the move to repeal and >> they want to get some kind of vote, any kind of vote at some point if you are not going to get anywhere, you got to put it to bed and move onto other parts of the agenda. you go t t to move on tax refor and decide what do you get out of this when it comes to taxes or revenues or etcetera, to help you do the budget >> they need to win. if this vote fails, the whole thing is over. >> i would hope. >> i t

include john you, who authored enhanced interrogation techniques and homeland security secretary michael chertoff. this 90 minute debate was cosponsored by by the national constitution center. [applause] [applause] >> speaking of the applause energy, again, because ultimately we reduced the