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similarly, former dhs secretary michael chertoff recently said dhs forces have taken a very belligerenttone. their actions have poured gasoline on the fire of the situation that now threatens to undermine the public's trust in the department. have you spoken with these former secretaries? do you agree with them that dhs should seek to de-escalate tensions in the field? >> i have spoken to both former secretaries. i walked them through what was going on in portland. they asked a number of questions. at the end of that conversation , they thanked me. they did not know all of the facts. that informed their decision. we have to de-escalate. a lot of the training as well as support in our training is de-escalation techniques. when you look at five hours every night, we are inside of the courthouse 95% of the time. we only come outside when there are fires being set, anywhere when there's enough individuals, thousands. we've seen anywhere from 500 to 5000 individuals. at some point, we do have to disperse. we have a number of tactics that try to de-escalate the situation. ,> what i would appr

exacerbated it" macri similarly former secretary michael chertoff recently said that dhs has taken auote belligerent aggressive tone towards the protests and their actions have quote poured gasoline on the fire" of the situation now threatens to undermine the public's part in the department. mr. wolf have you spoken with former secretaries ridge and chertoff and you agree that they should be escalate tensions instead of increasing them? >> i walk them through specifically what was going on in portland and they asked a number of questions and at the end of that conversation they thanked me. they said they did not know all the facts and that certainly inform their decision. absolutely, we absolutely have to be escalate the love of the training of the federal protective service are trained on de-escalation techniques. a lot of what we do when you look at a five-hour period every night night we are inside that federal courthouse 90 to 95% of that time. we only come out when they are fire scenes and there's enough individuals. we have seen anywhere from 500 to a thousand individuals and a