he cooperated fully in the sdny investigation and charged michael cohen with campaign finance and tax. you know, but again, this is relevant today because weisselberg is under indictment. he is someone prosecutors want their cooperation from and the d.a.'s office investigation actually stemmed from that federal investigation of michael cohen, so the hush-money payments are part of this investigation, too. >> so separately and very separately i should say, rudy giuliani is on cameo for people who don't know what that is, it's where you can go on and pay someone generally someone famous to record a message for you and it's worth noting he's facing huge legal bills, right? as he does this. tell us about this. >> right. so rudy giuliani joined cameo. charging 275 for each of these spots he could give -- >> how long are those spots? >> i think they're anywhere from one minute to two minutes. jerry springer is also on cameo charging 134 a couple of minutes. so giuliani is charging more. this does reflect kind of the financial straits that he's in, this dire situation. he's not getting help

michael cohen went to prison for that. donald, individual number one, did not, that's donald trump. somewhere in their examination of allan weisselberg's intersection with both of those men, they believe he lied about something. we know from the tape that michael cohen made at that time that donald trump told him to go talk to alan, in the tape, about how to handle the money. the problem with this is, alan weisselberg is now possibly a -- going to be a key witness for the manhattan district attorney's office if he flips. but the fact that he perjured himself during the federal investigation raises all kinds of questions about the extent to which he will cooperate or not now with the manhattan district attorney, whether or not his testimony is going to be credible, and a third question as to why the southern district of new york did not press him harder and go after him more aggressively if they believed he per jerred himself. this has all gotten extremely messy and it's going to i think cloud how the manhattan district attorney's office uses him and raise questions about whether he'

joining me now, donald trump's former personal attorney michael cohen. of course, michael is author of "the new york times" best seller "disloyal" and host of the podcast "mea culpa" with michael cohen. welcome back to the broadcast. it is good to see you. lit's go to the headlines in alabama. this state has run out of icu capacity, coronavirus cases are surging and yet donald trump is still holding his rally. do you think he has any concern whatsoever about this? i mean what does it say to you about him and has he forgotten, he survived a very serious case of covid? >> actually, not one but two. but what it says to me about donald trump and what it should say to every american out there is that it is irresponsible, it is ignorant, and, worse than that, it is immoral. first of all, the country is seeing right now in very significant spike in the coronavirus, and i believe, as you just stated, that alabama is now somewhere around 50% increase, that there's a shortage of icu beds, and he thinks now is the time to host a money-grifting superspreader rally? i

listen, none other than michael cohen, trump's former lawyer and fixer, testified to congress in 2019s have been defeated. they were not re-elected. they were not happy about the whole thing, but they graciously or not so graciously turned over the keys to the white house and left. we always had a feeling that trump would not do that. so we put it out there, as did michael cohen. >> lincoln, what do you worry about now moving forward? >> i worry that not much has changed. in 2018, 2019 jerry and i would ask people if donald trump loses, can you imagine him conceding gracefully? can you imagine saying, this was a hard-fought campaign and now -- i couldn't imagine that happening. and the same thing in 2024, can you imagine donald trump who if he runs will be the republican nominee or any other trump-like republican who would be the nominee if he doesn't run, losing to joe biden, kamala harris, or someone else and not doing exactly what trump has done? the seeds within the constituentsy of the republican party that a defeat of a republican is due to election fraud, those seeds have grown

michael cohen it isn't -- michael: it isn't just something happening to someone else.has hit so many of us in different ways. some have gotten behind on their mortgages, others have been delinquent in their credit card bills. none of that has happened the mark. >> i didn't even call in during the covid situation to ask for assistance on my home loan or credit cards. michael: yet his credit card limits have been cut on three credit cards in five months all on cards he hardly uses. >> they blamed an activity on the card and covid. michael: matt schultz is from lending tree. >> winds get nervous, they tend -- winds get nervous, they tried to reduce their risk. michael: thanks don't make much money when your card goes unused. >> if you were not using the card when times were good, they probably don't want you to use it when things go south because it could be a sign of financial distress. michael: closing your account or reducing your credit can have an impact even if the card was inactive. >> i went down to the lowest spot, 582 credit rating. michael: that's down 120 poin

the judge considered michael cohen's testimony, congress will thousand get a hold of those and with oneet of charges already in place in new york, possible additional charges trump is at substantial risk and now congress closing in, i think that is a big deal. we could see more revelations of the kinds of two sets of books fraud that got mr. weisselberg in trouble so far and that is just starting. >> a source tells cnn that former u.s. attorney resigned earlier than planned after learning that then president trump was considering firing him. the senate judiciary committee earned bj pack on wednesday as part of its investigation into trump's efforts to overturn his electoral loss. the "new york times" report that pack testified that he was going to be fired because he wouldn't back claims of election fraud in the state of georgia. >>> a federal judge is allowing defamation lawsuits over the big lie to move forward against three trump supporters. they suing over their unfounded claims of election fraud. dominion which makes voting machines used in the 2020 election wants billions of dolla

i said this is michael cohen. what do you know about the birth certificate? and i said to them i don't know anything i asked him to look into that and trump did talk about it in the media was happy to focus on the birth certificate issue as is obama in his memoir he is fixated with trump in the birth certificate issue. donald trump ounces imagination the mekong with the residents of skull island prolix in the back all the time this book in 2011 in the spring of 2011 when the boat culminates it is a combination hit on osama and on donald trump which wraps up in the ending. in doing the research for this book have seen copies of birth certificates floating around that may or may not be right or they may be forgeries they may not be forgeries or what. what i wanted to find out bright the resistance? there was real resistance. and how much they put into it. when into the unraveling the other is a story of true story of the unraveling of the obama presidency. when i learned right away is the initial was barack obama himself. many know this when he was put together

because with trump scenario, with stormy daniels, he had a fall guy, michael cohen.ly available, i hope people go read it, it is nauseating, it is so disgusting. there are messages, tex. pictures. it's just the kind of situation -- >> yes. >> it's the kind of nightmare where we would think, that the governor would be caused to say, it's my time, i want to leave with dignity. these are 11 credible accusers and he is lying. i am so proud of these women. i've been in the halls of congress and there are equal opportunity offenders on both sides of the aisle. i know it is like to be in the company of powerful men and want to just do your job and have unwanted advances. and have to deal with those. this is serious. they are putting their livelihoods on the line, so i commend those women, i commend letitia james for what she did as well. line by line, calling this for what it is. but there is one big reality here. republicans are afraid of their voters. democrats not so much. because what we are living in. is that post january 6th world, chris, and it means that republicans

the judge considered michael cohen's testimony about trump's wrongdoing.to get ahold of those. and with one set of charges already in place in new york, possible additional charges as i've written, trump's at substantial risk and now congress closing in, i think that's a big deal. we could see more revelations of the kinds of two sets of books, fraud that got mr. weisselberg in trouble so far, and that's just starting. >> tim, what is the next step here? i mean in terms of -- based on what you know about the former president, your dealings with him, how much do you think this matters to him? and if it does is it because there's something there to hide or just nobody likes to have their returns looked out in public? >> it matters deeply because his tax returns would not only indicate how robust his business is but how much money he had coming from oversees and who possibly his partners were from overseas. to what extent tid his interactions with vladimir putin or other dictators, how much were informed by his desire to pad his own wallet? i think this discl

parallels, right, because in trump's scenario with stormy daniels he had a fall back, that was michael cohenreceipts. when you look at the situation with cuomo, that report is available. i hope people go read it. it makes my stomach churn. it's disgusting. there are messages, texts, pictures. just the situation of a nightmare we would think would cause this governor to say it's my time, i want to leave with dignity. but instead he's doubling down and flat out lying. these are credible accusers and i'd be remiss if i didn't say i'm so proud of these women. i've been in the halls of congress and there are equal opportunity offenders on both sides of the aisle. i know what it's like to be in the company of powerful men and just want to just do your job and have unwanted advances and have to deal with those. this is serious. they're putting their lives on the line so i kmepd those women and commend letitia james doing her job, but line byline really calling this what it is. but at the end of the day there's one big reality here. republicans afraid of their voters, democrats not so much. because

the judge considered michael cohen's testimony about trump's wrongdoing.nd with one set of charges, already, in place in new york. possible, additional charges, as i've written, trump's at substantial risk. and now, congress closing in. i think that's a big deal. we could see more revelations of the kinds of two sets of books fraud that got mr. weisselberg in trouble, so far. and that's just starting. >> tim, where do -- what -- what is the next step here? i mean, in terms of, you know, based on what you know about the former president, your dealings with him, how much do you think this matters to him? and if it does, is it because there's something there to hide? or just the, you know, nobody likes to have their, you know, laundry, dirty or not, looked at in public? >> it matters to him, deeply, because his tax returns would not only indicate how robust his business actually is. it would, also, indicate how much money he had coming in from overseas, and possibly who some of his partners were overseas. and this is one of the great, unanswered questions of

. >> donny, is it something michael cohen has ever talked about, where the money came from for the scottish in terms of it, that it is all coming from the russians. it also goes back to russia. the numbers don't add up. as far as these golf courses, don was giving himself loans with no-interest payments and not paying them back. it is all funny business, monkey business. look, this is just one more example that trump is a criminal organization. it is going to come out. i'm hearing also that a lot of the investigations with cy vance's office are starting to really narrow in on the children. i think things are going -- my kind of tummy meter and things i'm hearing is there are imminent things coming when it involves the family. >> tim, donny dangled that. i have to ask you. are you hearing anything about the kids and interest in them from investigators in new york? >> i don't -- i don't know how the children aren't going to wind up part of everything that they're looking at in terms of the trump organization's dealings. eric trump has made a number of public statements about how the. the look

i think this comes back, michael cohen said to me he believed kushner has flipped.t to kushner, why is this happening right now? i still think this will come back to person of interest number one and all this is just precursor and dressing for r the main course. >> do you think cy vance is sending a message? >> absolutely. he's closing in. everyone you have telling the same story and it is circular and you enclose those circles in and you see it happening in realtime. >> tom winter and tony, thank you so much for getting on the record with this development. we'll be back after a short break. don't go anywhere. r a short break. don't go anywhere. with less moderate-to-severe eczema why hide your skin if you can help heal your skin from within. with dupixent adults saw long-lasting, clearer skin and significantly less itch. don't use if you're allergic to dupixent. serious allergic reactions can occur including anaphylaxis, which is severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems, such as eye pain or vision changes, or a parasitic infection. if you take a

michael is a methodist . he was trained at martin luther king and i remember he told me in james cohen's black theology when it came out he was a minister. his church was in indianapolis and we happen to be home in piedmont west virginia and he said there's black christianity is different than white christianity and i wasn't into studying about the black church at that time. i've been raised inthe church as you know from the book . >> i would say when i was 12 and then i converted when i was 14 and to my pistol church. much to his relief cause he thought the pistol church is the true church. but i joined a very conservative methodist church and i had to when you joined the church you couldn't play cards, you couldn't dance. and i love to dance. i like to sing. i had to forswear, all of that. itcouldn't go to movies . and i joined the choir. and i read the bible which just stood me in good stead to the sats. teachingafrican-american literature . african-american literature from phyllis wheatley through tonus toni morrison is the king james bible. with that song of solomon, my goodness and beloved. and i did tha

michaels. that's, well i want to talk about this infrastructure bill over here, because as julie said, it is not if, but when. for example, when i was talking to representative steve cohenhouse, he said, we are not even looked at it yet. we might want to change, send it back to the senate how optimistic are you that something will happen quickly? >> i am pretty optimistic, but more so than i was maybe a week ago. i think you know, this is really extraordinary, when you think about it, the modern law making, could last for the seven years, that kind of bipartisanship. i think there are some, as the report mentioned, you have senator haggerty, who is concerned about deficit spending, other who raised the flag over how the bill would generate revenue, it's similar to crypto currency, all of that could get fired, out when you think about what is in the bill, you have money for shoring up the electrical infrastructure and power grid. think about the cyberattack on the pipeline back in may, think about the electrical outages in texas, those were weather related. nevertheless, incredibly important for our country. and impacting states that are not just democratic states, but d