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joining me now is the man whose testimony just started this investigation, michael cohen. michael, this is a huge ruling against her former boss. what did you make of this? >> it is a massive ruling that has long been in the weight. one thing that donald trump is good at is delaying the inevitable. and judge engoron have enough. some of the language that was used in this decision demonstrates exactly this point . he just had enough of the games and he was not going to allow donald's delay tactics to continue. >> is donald trump still in business in new york after this ruling and what the judge ruled about his business certificates? >> the answer is no. is what happens is the attorney general will cease to allow those companies to exist and pulling the licenses by pulling its license to be active in the state of new york. all of those assets will end up going into some form of receivership. as a result of the receivership, the companies will end up getting liquidated, especially now that this case is no longer solely about -- the first part is the liability, the second part

michael cohen was saying at any point in time he is totally unreliable. >> that is costello, who is ng to get what he says, his money to his own. even if we put your former client of the side, i have about 45 seconds. what did you see here in these r.i.c.o. codefendants and the pressure on them? >> i think the real issue here is third-party payments. and i think what's happened with trump is a disservice. we all live with third-party payments. it's a question of ethical lawyers. if, i don't mean to talk myself up best the model, but any ethical lawyer will say to a client, look, even if you you are not paying my fees, my responsibility is to you. you are going to tell the truth, whatever it is. if it's in your interest to cooperate. you will. if it's not, you'll go to trial. and i think that the problem is it is being abused and people think there's a perception that when trump pays legal fees, he is buying silence. i don't know if that is fair in reality. but if that's the case, that is obstruction. if it is not the case. people are entitled to have their legal fees paid. >> underst

what michael cohen was saying at any point in time. is just trying to get the money he's out. even if you put your former climb to the side, i've got about 45 seconds, what do you see here in these r.i.c.o. codefendants and the pressure on them? >> i think the real issue here is third-party payments. and i think what's happened with trump is a disservice. we all live with third-party payments. it's a question of ethical law illness. any ethical lawyer will say to a client, look, even if you pay my fees, my responsibility is to you. and you have to tell the truth, whatever it is, if it's in your interest to cooperate, you will. if it's not, move out of trial. and i think that the problem is that it's being used and people think, there's this perception that when trump pays legal fees, or sign ups, i don't know if that's a fair read reality, or if that's the case, that's obstruction. if it's not the case, people are entitled to have their legal fees paid. >> understood. and it's an important issue. as you say, some of this goes back to th

trump. >> joining me now is michael cohen, trump's former person lawyer, host of the political beatdowncast and author of "revenge" how donald trump weaponized the department of justice. >> mar-a-lago he claims is worth -- it's kind of funny, $1.5 billion. here is the deposition from donald trump. question, do you have a sense of the price of mar-a-lago, the value, yes. i think i do. i mean, i think i do. how much do you think it's worth, 1.5 billion. what's your basis for that? just broker talk. never been for sale. two people owned it. based on what will have people come in, experts and like this to show a price of 1.5. i believe the price is 1.5 billion. he makes up the value of things out of his own mind, how he is feeling that day? >> absolutely. there's no basis for a $1.5 billion valuation of mar-a-lago. let me, though, be clear, when judge -- when judge in this specific case stated that the value of mar-a-lago was between 14 to $26 million, he didn't mean the sale price. he was talking about the assessed value. and trump actually tried to have that reduced even further because b

. >> of course, and to dana's point, after what happened to michael cohen. he flipped very publicly on the former president. the former president has been much more careful about trying to keep people in the fold and there are some questions about some of his advisers and why they're still around, but i've been told people close to him and even the former president acknowledge that yeah, it's important to keep these people in the fold to the extent possible and help with their legal fees to an extent. we know there are limits on his generosity there, but he definitely learned lessons from michael cohen, and i'm sure he is not pleased that mr. tavares is cooperating and he is not in the same league as boris epistein or michael cohen at one time and this is not good news for him. >> everyone, stand by. we have more news we are follow following right now. >>> back to our special live coverage of the first televised hearing in the trump election sub version case in the state of georgia. i'm katelyn collins in new york alongside wolf blitzer in washington, and th

this is the kind of thing that michael cohen says this hurts him where it counts, pam. >> and norm, on that note, let's talk about where it could hurt him. where it counts in the future of trump's business and his properties. when even the judge seems unsure about the full impact of his ruling. help us understand that. >> well, the fundamental idea here in new york law is if you are a business owner or business and you persistently engage in fraud, you lose your right to do business. it's tantamount to, it's not exactly is same as, but it's close to what we call the corporate death penalty. in the, that case, when you have a fraudulent business, and the judge found that there were a series of trump businesses that qualified this way and trump and his families qualified for this pattern of fraud, then a receiver is appointed and the businesses are dissolved. they're managed then eventually sold. that's what's happening here. it is a very unusual, and that's why the judge is trying to feel his way forward. >> yeah. there's still the looming question, right? what will this mean for his mo

and joining me now is trump's former fixer michael cohen. michael is now principle of crisis x. he's also the host of 2 podcasts, mea culpa, and political beat down, and the new york times bestselling author of orange -- how donald trump weaponize the u.s. department of justice against his critics. michael, thanks for being here, as always. i want to start with one of the latest pieces of news to come out today, which is that a number of the january 6th defendants, they have been receiving significant sentences for their actions at the capitol that day, including proud boys leader enrique tarrio, who just today was sentenced to 22 years in prison. some are trying to walk this fine line of regret at this moment. maybe they were hoping for a pardon or hoping for leniency for from the. judge on the question of pardons, do you think that trump will try to pardon some of these people, who already have gone through the justice system, and the justice system and said you need to be in prison for decades? >> yeah, well that presumes that donald ends up winning the general election, even

. >> joining me now is trump's former picks michael cohen is now the host of two podcast. mea culpa and political beat down. and the new york times bestselling author of revenge. how donald trump weaponized the department of justice against his critics. michael thanks for being here. >> as always i want to start with the latest piece of news to come out today a number of the january six defendants have been receiving significant sentences including proud boys leader enrique who just today was sentenced to 22 years in prison. some are trying to walk this fine line of regret at the moment they're hoping for a pardon or leniency from the judge. on the question of pardons do you think trump will try to pardon some of these people who have already gone through the justice system and said that you need to be in prison for decades. >> that presumes that donald ends up winning the general election. even a presumption that he becomes the nominee for the gop. there's plenty of time in a lot of indictments in cases that are still confronting. but yes i believe that some of them. not a

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michael cohen is a name we haven't heard in a while, but he plays a key role in what's about to happen. remind us how this all started. >> he's actually the genesis of all this. february 27, 2019, he took this stand at the house oversight committee. mark meadows, by the way, on that panel. he said mr. trump is a con man and a cheat and that everything that was done in that office was done at the direction of and for the benefit of mr. trump. so the attorney general here in new york, letitia james, is watching. she finds it very interesting. she gets her staff working on 222-page charge sheet comes out. a three-year investigation incredibly detailed, every single building, golf course, wildly inflated numbers. we're not just talking a couple million here or there. we're talking hundreds of millions of dollars inflated square footage, inflated apartment numbers, building numbers, and we are here today with these charges of fraud. in fact, judge engoron has agreed and on tuesday he made his decision -- this could be incredibly damaging to the trump organization. >> so just preview for us

. >> also on the witness list, trump's former personal attorney michael cohen. cohen who served prison time knows a lot. he was trump's one time fixer and provided this damming testimony, specific, it's very specific, under oath in 2019. listen to this. >> to your knowledge, did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues? >> yes. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump. >> a lot to get to tonight with these developments. evan perez is out front live in washington. i want to begin with brynn gingras, live outside trump tower at this hour. and and, brynn, there was the possibility this could have been delayed like so many other cases that trump is facing, but no. all the talk about fulton county and the doj, the case that's slated to go to decision is now in new york. it's crucial for him, and it is days away. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. trump tried to delay it with this bappeal, and there was a slight possibility with the hiccup. that's not

your reporting and testimony that we've heard in years gone by, including from michael cohen, is that procedure for the trump corporation. they did things like this. they inflated their assets in certain places. they reduced the value of those assets if necessary to do other things. they were inconsistent at best at the way they treated their assets. tell me what you make of this ruling. i've tried to give the best explanation we nonlegal people can give. but i know you know more about this than most. know you know more about this than most. >> you're being kind there. i think the allegation is pretty stark that donald trump -- there would be something that i think reasonable minds would agree would be worth $10 million and he would say it's worth $100 million, and this happened over and over and over. and these statements were submitted to banks, to insurance companies in order to secure loans and post favorable terms, and to secure insurance policies, things like that. and the attorney general had brought a civil suit, a quite large one that could cost him to the tune of $250 millio

appearance tre he's told a separate federal judge in his case, rember, he filed a lawsuit against michael cohenthe reasons we know of his stated intentions to be here on monday is that he promised a federal judge in florida that he couldn't sit in this position in cohen's case because he had to be in court in new york. he didn't just make that, he made that promise to a federal judge that he'd be there. >> yeah, we're going to see whether or not he shows up, if not, he might have two federal judges. justice and grow, not a federal judge. into that mistake a few days ago. i made the mistake of colin just as a grand federal judge. i'm sure you wouldn't mind. i don't klaasville, away so smart and on the money. i appreciate you being here. thanks for being here. >> thank you for having, we katie. love being on the show. >> we'll be right back. >> we'll be right back built to command attention. it's not just a comfortable interior... it's a quiet refuge. they're not just headlights... they light the way forward. the new fully electric audi q8 e-tron models... (sniffing) i know my old spice long-last

michael cohen, trump's former attorney, his fixer, said this. >> let's not for get, alina hob a maderible error, trump's attorney, by failing to check off a certain box that had the case as a jury trial. it is now a bench trial. so judge and goron will be the seoul decider on what the damages are. >> trace: yeah, no surprises cohen's going after you, he's going after pretty much everybody alaina. your thoughts? >> oh, i'm so happen you asked me about this, i can't even tell you. michael cohen i'm not sure you've seen a courtroom before, i'm pretty sure you haven't other than when i beat you a few months ago. but let's remember something. those of us that do litigate under that under 63 c-12 which is what this case is, you don't have a right, an absolute right to a jury. and that doesn't mean that i could check a box michael. so next time you should do a little research before you bash somebody. i'm not surprised. but, look, this is a man who has made a career of being relevant by walking around from prosecutor to prosecutor, from 3-letter government investigations to investigations t

amplifying, underscoring and laying out in great detail what former trump attorney and fixture michael cohen admitted in testimony back in 2019. >> to your knowledge did the president or his company ever inflate assets or revenues? >> yes. >> and was that done with the president's knowledge or direction? >> everything was done with the knowledge and at the direction of mr. trump. >> so that's one way of describing it. the judge in his ruling puts it more vividly comparing the trump fraud defense to a chico marx line in "duck soup." well, you who you gonna believe, me or your own eyes. what's in this ruling? >> reporter: yeah, this is a huge loss for donald trump, for his family and his family business. the judge finding that he engaged in fraud for a decade by inflating the value of some of his marquee properties on financial statements provided in a number of business tr transactions. the judge saying that donald trump's explanation for how he came up with the values for some of his assets, he called it a fantasy world not the real world. specifically he singled out trump's apartment at tru

keelan's going to be top -- special guest michael cohen -- coming up next, more breaking news. a live report where the government -- still trying to bring his own -- also, what cassidy hundreds and told jake tapper about the threat she feels her oval office would pose to the country if he is reelected president. that much more from her conversation with jake on three 60. >> more breaking news tonight as the slowly begins move at all and the deadline to get all of this done is still sunday morning at 12:01. cnn's -- is at the capitol today, were a lot of things appear to be in motion right now. what we know about where things stand in the house tonight, including the threats to speaker mccarthy? >> so, house republicans just moved to advance a package of long term spending bills. this is a routine procedural vote. normally we probably wouldn't be talking about this kind of vote, but it is important tonight because last week as similar vote failed twice on the house floor. so speaker kevin mccarthy was under a lot of pressure to show that he can govern. but we should note that no

it was obvious he was the person involved with michael cohen who went to jail.nald trump on an easy case. >> asked if there was any involvement in higher levels of the doj in the charging decisions as it relates to hunter biden, and the attorney general, he pretty flatly rejected allegations that this hunter biden investigation was tainted by politics. he said he didn't interfere with the probe in any way. but how can he know if there was no interference if he wasn't involved? >> well, he wasn't involved. that's the interference that would have taken place. i don't know that anybody underneath him -- there was no reason to suspect anybody else did. the suggestion was that he's the only person that would be above mr. weiss, and the only person that could have interfered in that direction. >> why didn't garland appoint a special prosecutor, affidavit weiss, sooner? i think that's one of the other key questions here. if that was one of the key ways to sort of project to the public that this was an investigation that was going to be done without any sort of appearan

if the justice department were weaponized, they would've not prock secured it michael cohen, of coursell barr. when donald trump should've been prosecuted as individual one. merrick garland didn't go after individual one even last about some on several occasions. isaias leahy was the one who was involved with michael cohen and did go to jail, and he didn't go after donald trump on an easy case. >> obviously a big topic of the hearing today was to what extent if any was there any level of the doj and the decisions the charging decisions as it relates to hunter biden. and the attorney general he pretty flatly rejected allegations that this hunter biden investigation was tainted by politics. he said he didn't interfer e with the probe in any way, but how can he know if there was no interference if he wasn't involved? >> well, he wasn't involved and that's the interference that would've taken place. i don't know that anyone underneath him, there's no reason to suspect anyone else did. the suggestion was that he was the only person who's above mr. weiss and the only person who could've inte

michael cohen on the list will testify gladly. >> right., we learned yesterday that judge tanya chutkan denied trump's request to recuse herself in his federal election interference case. what do you make of that decision? >> it was expected. and what the judge did, she wrote a very lengthy and detailed decision expressing the reasons why she is not recusing herself. and the reason why she did that is so it is appellate proof. if he appeals this, the d.c. circuit court of appeals will affirm her decision to not recuse herself. essentially she said, you know, donald trump, you're a lawyer, you're accusing me of saying that president trump should be prosecuted. where have i ever said that? you haven't cited me ever saying that. she also cited the standard, the standard for recusal in the federal system is that whether or not a reasonable person observing and knowing all the circumstances would come to the conclusion that the judge could not be fair and impartial. and she gave the reasons why she can be fair and impartial. the defendants' lawy

that michael cohen was saying, could be rescheduled, save it for october 2nd to take place and october. >> okay. that was going to be done, wasn't gonna be down in florida? the fact that the former president was leaving the state, okay, got that. in the federal january 6th election interference case against trump, prosecutors argued in yesterday's legal filing, that the former presidents social media posts on friday suggested that general mark milley should be put to death for treason, that was reason enough for the judge to issue a narrow gag order against him. and our colleague, nbc's vaughn hillyard, asked donald trump about his comment last night. take a listen to that. >> general milley, what he did, it's really treasonous. you look at what he said to china, he's either stupid or it's treason. >> there are many people that would call it treason. >> but why suggest death? >> thank you very much. >> how much do you think it's gonna play to judge chutkan's decision on whether to issue a gag order? >> i think immensely. the crux of the court filing by special prosecutors last night, t

and look, we know from michael cohen, other long time -- >> talks about it frequently. >> he said itng out to dry. his family's security was at stake. that's when he turned and started talking. and i think we can expect to see that with others as well. >> to that point, and we have talked about this a couple times, what is there to flip here? that's the big question, right? michael cohen knew all the things about all the things in terms of the trump organization and what the former president was doing in his business life pre-political life. you look through the indictment, the fulton county indictment, you look through the jack smith indictments as well where it seems like on the documents case that kind of rolled up, everybody that's in the crosshairs to some degree. i am wondering what the flip is here. >> yeah, so the guy we talked about in florida had a con cret thing. he said they asked me to delete the surveillance video. of course, allegedly according to the indictment. the r.i.c.o. indictment in georgia has a lot of components, a lot of establishment of fact that needs to be

we're learning donald trump could be deposed in his $500 million lawsuit against michael cohen as soonnext week. half a billion dollars. back in april, trump sued his former lawyer alleging cohen spread falsehoods, violated attorney/client privilege and unjustly enriched himself. trump's lawyers argued the former president, quote, suffered vast reputational harm as a direct result of cohen's breaches, end quote. during the hearing yesterday, the former president's attorneys requested trump's deposition be delayed due to his upcoming civil fraud trial in new york. there's another hearing today that will determine if the deposition will take place next tuesday or be moved to the following week. so mimi, you can throw this onto the pile of the cases following donald trump. he's initiated the lawsuit against michael cohen, but as he is deposed in this case, could what he says be used in some of the others? >> absolutely. i mean, you know, if you are under oath anywhere, those are admissions, statements under oath of -- if it's in a criminal case, a defendant, or in a civil case. they obvio

and we've seen this, the most infamous example has been michael cohen is to keep people who know things or potentially know things as close as they possibly can and this one got away and this one has to know a lot or else the prosecutor wouldn't have given him the deal. >> we aren't learning this because jack smith wanted to share this with us and we are learning about this because there is this dispute about stanley woodward, the attorney at the center, whether there is a conflict involving him and that's why this is coming up in the filings is to note that now there is this cooperation agreement with tavares that according to stan woodward, at least, that this was not a cooperation deal that was on the table when representing tavares. dana, to your point, trump has been able to keep a lot of people in the fold, in this case, people who do have a lot to lose and walt nauta and carlos de oliveira, and to see tavares break away and get his own attorney and move away from the cushiness of the trump pac-funded lawyers. >> very quickly, this is a nightmare for trump that some of his co-defe

this is what we heard about from michael cohen way back when before congress. it was an m.o.luations of some of the same properties would differ when they wanted to lowball, say for taxes. so as you suggest, if this point of view of, oh, it's just subjective, actually held, there could be no fraud. fraud means a lie. and that means when they wrote that down and signed it, they knew it wasn't worth that and worth anything like it. they can try to argue that they did, but you know, there are facts here. and there are valuations here. and it doesn't help if the bank looked at it in a second way. they lied. they lied down the middle. that's fraud. everything else is just smoke and mirrors. >> there's also a backup for this if that first one doesn't work. the other one is, there were so many caveats on these statements that they were rendered meaningless. then they said in another argument that the banks never relied on them, and the judge pointed out, reliance isn't necessary. but they kept going. they were running through excuse after excuse after excuse on why this case shouldn

former trump lawyer michael cohen reacting on cnn. >> judge engoron really had enough. he had enough. i mean, some of the language that was used in this 35 page decision demonstrate it's exactly this point that he just had enough of the games and he was not going to allow donald's delay tactics to continue overnight, the gop presidential frontrunner attacked the decision as political, claiming his civil rights have been violated. >> next, the judge will decide how much trump will pay in penalties at trial starting october 2nd, all the way to get to donald trump is always via the pocketbook. the attorney general asking for at least $250 million, saying we look forward to presenting the rest of our case. the judge's partial ruling limits trump's ability to do business in new york and could force him to sell some of the buildings that bear his name. trump's attorney telling abc news they intend to immediately appeal the judge's decision. >> andrew, and win for us in washington, dc. am thank you. former president trump heads to michigan today to address autoworkers as their

they have listed donald trump, donald trump junior, ivanka trump and michael cohen amongst many other witnesses. on trump side, they're saying trump wants to testify, he's going to testify in this case. of course, that always is a trial decision. so, we won't really know until we get there. but, the office indicates they want to call them, we might see them actually walk through those doors and take the witness stand. >> stay with us, care. i want to bring in two attorneys, two former federal prosecutors just go rob and cnn senior legal analyst elie honig. jessica, first of all, are you surprised the former president is not going to try and get this georgia casey with federal court? >> i was surprised, but then when i thought it through i thought it made sense. a strategic decision on his lawyers part. they clearly saw the writing on the wall that they were unlikely to prevail and moving to remove the case to federal court. they were following the meadows case, meadows obviously lost and trump in many ways had a weaker claim than meadows did. so, they clearly decided it was better to

michael cohen was on our air explaining that one way to really get to trump is to hit him in the wallet which this does. katie, thank you for being with us. >>> just ahead here, republicans defending a democrat, what they are saying in support of bob menendez. >>> and what colin kaepernick says in a letter he's written to the new york jets. c'mon, we're right there. c'mon baby. it's the only we need. go, go, go, go! ah! touchdown baby! -touchdown! are your neighbors watching the same game? yeah, my 5g home internet delays the game a bit. but you get used to it. try these. they're noise cancelling earmuffs. i stole them from an airport. it's always something with you, man. great! solid! -greek salad? exactly! don't delay the game with verizon or t-mobile 5g home internet. catch it on the xfinity 10g network. >>> welcome back. at this hour at least 24 fellow senate democrats have called on new jersey senator bob menendez to resign. there are a few that are raising questions about his conduct but still stopping short of calling for him to step down, among them joe manchin of west virginia.

michael cohen his former attorney says the ruling was effective because it hit donald trump where it hurt the most, his wallet. >> if you really want to get to donald, the way to do it is through his bank book, not by saying he's a narcicisstic so he is i dsociopath, he is not 6'3"d he is not 215 pounds. you go after the wallet. once you start hitting the bank book, that is what really gets to him. >> one trump's most yoit spoken critic is a former staffer and she's warning that another trump presidency would be a danger to democracy. cassidy hutchinson worked as an aide to thump'rump's chief of s. >> and she spoke to jake tapper about the threat that trump is now posing. >> for years we have not held donald trump accountable to the things that he says. when he strokes those vitriol comments like general milley, we need to take a them seriously. people have been holding him accountable for the past year, but obviously not accountable enough because we're in a position right now where it is looking more likely than not that he could be the republican nominee. and he has also been indi

it goes back to some of those things remember we heard statements they were making to michael cohen about remember you've got friends in high places? it sounds an awful lot like that, but i think anything short of overt tampterring with a witness is not like lay to rise to the level of criminal charges for obstruction of justice. you can see sometimes if you're trying to persuade a person to testify in a certain way, i think holding a fund-raiser for him as rare as it may be is probably not enough for criminal charges. >> i do wonder when we talk about the special counsel and what he's been up to this week, dave, we know in a filing this week jack smith's team pointed to what they call, quote, trump's daily extra judicial statements that threaten to brejs the jury in this particular case and around january 26th. we know trump has been targeting jack smith online. what's the point of filing this under seal if these are public extra judicial statements? and how do you read the sort of news of this? >> assuming the filing is about those extra judicial statements, there's something else in th

on that list, donald trump, eric trump, donald trump jr., ivanka trump, and michael cohen, among others. cohen is the one that kicked off this whole investigation when he testified before congress in april of 2019 and made the allegations that the trump organization inflated the value of their assets. so he's going to be one of their witnesses as well as some others. now, trump's side is saying that they're going to call as many as 127 possible witnesses including trump. so saying that he wants to testify in this case in his own defense. of course we never know who's going to take the stand until it comes down to that moment, but we're looking at a number of witnesses here and many of them with the last name trump. >> all right. kara scannell, thank you so much. really appreciate it. joining us to discuss, nick akerman, a former assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. nick, would you be surprised if trump or his eldest sons were called to testify? or are you expecting that? >> oh, i'm expecting that. if i were the a.g., i would pop them up on the stand almost imme

michael cohen, his former lawyer, once told me i think it was last year, the way to get to, as he callsdonald, is not the criminal cases, that is not what is going to bother him. it is going to be going after property, business, money. the question is, with his supporters, who seem not to be bothered by the criminal cases, will the fact that the image of being the best, that this is in effect fraud, will that have a difference. >> no. that is my prediction. >> you're right. >> trump went on to claim on truth social that mar-a-lago is worth a hundred times more than what the judge said it is worth. isn't that the kind of claim that is at the heart of this entire civil case and isn't that just provable one way or the other? >> yes, this is the problem itself. donald trump nicely illustrated it in his truth social today. judge points out in the ruling, the county assessor down in florida where mar-a-lago is located, assessed the value of the property of mar-a-lago at around $20 million. donald trump when it came time to put no for bank loans assessed it on his own as being worth $500 milli

you saw what happened when michael cohen flipped. how might he be feeling about this right now?ill happen. this man will be vilified, attacked and savaged by donald trump publicly. and secondly, donald trump will lay in his bed at night staring at the seal creeling trying to remember every conversation he had with this guy while he's sick to his stomach. this is going to repeat itself over and over and over again. it's going to repeat itself in georgia with some of the co-defendants. and it may happen again in this matter. the federal matters that are pending with folk who is are either indicted or unindicted coconspirators. so this is what the republican party is facing. drip, drip, drip on the guy who is the front runner, which is why he cannot be the nominee. if he is the nominee, he will not beat joe biden. >> you have been in this race for three months, as of yesterday. you have spent a lot of time hammering the former president and saying things like you just said, he's not the guy that the republican party should have to go against joe biden. meanwhile, the former preside

for example, we had our questioning of michael cohen or other high profile witnesses. very well understood that in such a consequential hearing, your opposition is going to use every point of leverage possible, and you have to stay in those seats, for procedural votes, for example. we tried to vote on issuing subpoenas to actual firsthand witnesses of rudy giuliani of the odd progeny of where the story even began at the first place. and we were winning those votes. they had to scramble and call back members and delay. so you really inconsequential hearings, it's hearing 101, that all members need to be in their seats to prepare for any affront from the opposition. >> that's a really interesting point. which sort of segues to the larger breakdown of discipline here, what is happening and the entire house, we are days away from it shut down. it's unclear what they really want, but they are floating these insane cuts to title i, a huge federal education program for low income districts, cuts to wic, which is for women with infant children. there are a bunch of people who

or you could have michael cohen hug me and then secretly hug him back off the books."just some... [applause] thank you. a lot of pundits warned that new york would be overwhelmed by an angry maga mob but this morning, there were so few pro maga protesters that reporters had to line up to talk to them. it's never a good sign when there are fewer people at your current rally than there are in prison for your last one. once he saw the weak turnout, the president was quick to blame it on location, posting on truth social: "verery unfair venue, wh some areas that voted 1% republican. this case should be moved to nearby staten island." yes. making it the first time anyone has ever said, "we should go to staten island." the ferry is so fun. it's free. lovely people. one maga-laga ding-dong who was there today was marjorie taylor greene. on her way... >> [booing] >> stephen: on her way to speak utside the courthouse she gavek an interview about how noble this indictment really is. >> trump is joining some of the most incredible people in history, being arrested today. nelson m