we're in the middle of al conversation with michael copeland and javi rose, who is the executive director of jewish of jewish children and family ss east bay. welcome back. it seems seems that in every religious cy or any community when we come to to a holiday, whether it's a national holiday like thanksgivg or something particular like christmas and in this case the jewish high holy day. you see what makes up a community. the communal becomes apparent. it exposes a kind of spiritual, eml kind of a vulnerability about wt it means to be in the world to world. i'm wondering about those those two things from your pers. michael you work with interfaits and michael you work with the jewish community and the entire community of the east bay. i'm wondering, what do you see commy in the jewish community and otherwise at this particular time of year? >> it's interesting that there'a model many in the jewish communy hold on to. what the jewish family looks like is two parents, a man and a woman, never been divorced, children who are biologically connected to them. this is no longer the picture. tha