. >> we also have michael doern on the phone. he has done consulting for airport security.e now have those images, images that appear to show two people wounded both appearing to be tsarc age ents. and the image of the gun. tell us what you think? >> i'm not certain that is it an ar-15 style rifle. it has a full stock, you know, a large magazine, and it would appear to -- i would presume at this point, it would be the suspect's weapon. one possibility that i thought of earlier, they do have tactical weapons that police officers use. and an officer would have been would bed and dropped the rifle, but we have no reports of an officer being wounded. >> excellent point. and we should clarify we don't know what type of weapon that is. and we only know what we see. and there are sometimes that what we see isn't exactly what it is. >> yeah, and dr. curtis pointed out you can have rifles, and handguns in checked baggage. but also i did a demonstration yesterday where i had a rifle and 20 other weapons concealed in clothing, if you are trained it is easy to spot, and then they are s

michael doern are you there? >> yes, i am. >> mr. doern, you are an expert in homeland security. are these passengers now free to go on to their next flight or is this an active crime scene? >> it will be an active crime scene and as your last expert said it's a very fluid situation. but they had a shooting in july of 2002 at the ticket counter, two people were killed and the ticket agent killed the shooter. they have contingency plans for events like this, but to be secure, there will be obviously some significant delays. they often in events like this they do have to search additional people, and there is fast-moving information. so at this point, you know, it is hard to say. it's possible that he was trying to defeat the check point or got -- trying to sneak a gun through and it was detected and once he was challenged opened fire. they don't know these things at this point. and they are be interviewing people and pulling security footage. >> michael i need to play traffic cop for a second. >> sure. >> jennifer, i want to let you know if you get information -- again the federal