in a civil suit brought on behalf of michael donald's mother and michael donald's family, not just the individual klansmen who killed michael donald, but the organization they belong to, the klan itself, their chapter of the klan was the united klansmen of america. the defendants were forced by the court to not just face criminal penalties, but they and the organization they belonged to were forced by the court in this civil suit to pay, literally to pay money. there was a $7 million judgement handed down by a federal jury in alabama in 1987. again, the crime was 1981. it took until 1987 for the criminal cases to be over and then for the civil case to produce the $7 million judgement. $7 million that was to be extracted from the bank accounts, the assets, the garnished wages, the property of the defendants themselves, the killers themselves and from that united klans group that they belonged to. now, if this is ringing a distant bell for you, if you think you might have heard about this case, it's probably because one of the unforgettable details, one of the unforgettable consequences

his name was michael donald. he was an alabaman. he lived in mobile, alabama. one night in 1981 michael mcdonald was set upon for no reason at all. he was ambushed and attacked. he was beaten and strangled. he was killed. he was then hanged from a tree. one of the men who attacked michael donald that night in alabama would later admit in court that that teenager, mr. donald, had done nothing whatsoever to attract the attention of his attackers. they did not pick on him for any particular reason other than the fact that he was convenient and he was a young black man. he was attacked and he was killed and his body was put on display the way it was, specifically because he was a random victim. all the more terrifying that way, right? it's because the klan, the ku klux klan in that part of alabama wanted to show their strength. they wanted to show what they were capable of and one of the attackers, one of the klan members who took part in that murder, he would explain later in court that he and his coconspirators were specifically hoping that this murder would not j

to sit on the 9th of april 2018 a new york attorney becomes the latest target of bob mullen michael cohen donald trump's personal lawyer michael cohen is donald trump's longtime personal lawyer and fixer is the city present the secret and he has as the keys to the kingdom he knows all the secrets about donald trump. card with. the f.b.i. search cohens office at the request of a local prosecutor on charges of financial fraud. the move initiated by bomb miller as a direct challenge to the president himself. so i just heard that they broke into the office busy of one of my personal attorneys because man i said that it's really valid at all. new level of unfair. cohen to someone who might know about trump's alleged real estate dealings in russia. that was fairly common knowledge in the real estate community and the international finance community in the political community the russians were funding in various ways many major trunk real estate projects cohen my also know if the president lied when a few months earlier he denied having anything to do with russia i don't nothing in russia i have no loa

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was last halloween i was in new york and i was in this restaurant, and i saw michael cohen across the way. >> jimmy: donaldohen. >> and i see him looking over, checking each other out. we'll see. and then i go to the toilet and i come back, and my buddy says, by the way, michael came over and he's like, do you mind, can i say hello to him? i'm a big fan of him. michael cohen's a big fan? okay. so he comes over, and we have this lovely chat. and he says you know what my favorite movie is of yours? and i am like, what? "law-abiding citizens". >> jimmy: come on, really? >> on my life. on my life. i can't even tell you what the next five minutes of conversation were. we were just talking it >> jimmy: that's pretty crazy. >> he's very sweet though, very sweet. >> jimmy: trying to give you a message of some kind? this is from the fall. we have these big fires out here, and your house was burned in the fire. >> yeah. part of it. that's my guesthouse and everything. >> jimmy: that's your guesthouse? >> yeah. >> jimmy: so were you at home when it happened? did you have to be evacuated? >> we didn't have to be evacu

no, donald doesn't take advice. michael can tell you about this as well. donald just does not take advice. his style and negotiations historically has been both the bully that michael described, and then he was well known that he would pay people for information. and when he would discover that you're about to close the deal with him but you have some other looming deadline elsewhere, a balloon payment or an obligation to be fulfilled, he would threaten to walk away at the last moment so that you would cave and give him what he wanted. well, that works once. that's why he always has to move on to another mark. it doesn't work when you have to keep going back to the same well as with, say, president xi in china. >> we'll on to another -- that is a very good assessment there. michael, listen, a good deal maker would know who he is dealing with, right? and today the president did talk about hong kong, gave china's leader some advice. here it is. >> i would be willing to bet that if he sat down with the protesters, a group of representative protesters, i bet he

. >> one of the things, michael steele, donald trump talked today about russia, in his meetings at the g7, so many of the issues constantly brought up involved russia. he said it should have been russia in that room to try to solve some of the problems. the part he left out was russia was partly responsible for a lot of those problems in the first place. >> right, right, he kind of missed the big picture there, sir. the reason they were talking about russia is they were the problem. donald trump to his point doesn't see russia as the problem. donald trump has been told and recounted by his own family members has a financial tie to russia that has mattered to him. for whatever reason beyond that, he's not looking to upset that. so when the g7 part neners get around the table and they had these conversations about what's happened in europe and what russia is doing in places like crimea and the ukraine, donald trump has a deaf ear to that. and so i think what you're going to see is more action unilaterally, if you will, by those other partners without the u.s. because, after all, this is

. >> let's discussion with michael d antonio, donald trump biographer. he's also a cnn contributor. been with the president since day one. someone who has seen as a daughter. >> i'm not surprised. i think working for donald trump is a difficult thing. her experience in the world is not very broad. she worked with the rnc and the romney campaign. part of that was an exercise instructor. she wound up sitting at the office one of the most difficult bosses in the world i have a great deal of empathy for her, and actually sort of admiring of her ability so hang in there for as long as she did. there were dozens and dozens of people who couldn't achieve that. >> what she told those reporters never got into the public sphere as far as we know, why does it matter so much. >> well, as folks know, the president is extremely sensitive to comments about his family. extremely sensitive to revelations of secrets. this could have been something as simple as recounting a story of an exchange between the president and first lady. or hearing something from ivanka trump after she attempted to persuade

donald trump this year. >> what is that a bandanna? >> nice bandanna just like the one worn by bret michaels and celebrity apprentice hosted by donald trump rate what about your shoes? aren't those the same shoes that were on 49th street between fifth and sixth avenue where saturday night live is filmed, the same snl who gave donald trump a platform by letting him host the show twice. what about your 5-year-old drawings, the used crayola crowns owned by hallmark which owns hallmark channel which aired a film broadcasting christmas with ed trump supported dean cain. how dare you. is that kilt? you know trump's mother is scottish. [laughter] >> fine. >> are we good until thursday? >> thanks trump. [laughter] [cheering] >> let's welcome tonight's guest. author and political commentator mark stein. [applause] even his attack will make you laugh. joe mackie. >> she is funny smart, cat tip. >> and if you borrow in his footsteps he may need a ladder to get out,. [cheering] recovered a lot, feel free to comment on anything what about secure muji, greenland, the trade war against americans by americans,. >> i'm going to go back to the pre-credit,

. >> that's colorado senator michael bennett going after donald trump directly at last night's cnn democraticsident trump falsely claimed that the child separation has ended. now, senator bennet joins us this morning. senator, that statement you made combined with many of the other things you said last night seemed to indicate you wish more of the focus was on president trump. >> i think it's very important. i mean, he is the guy that's in the white house. in my view, he has violated every tenet of our democracy you can violate. just on the racism alone, every democrat and independent in this country should throw this guy out of here. >> so was there too much of the circular firing squad last night, you know, democrat on democrat fighting? >> it's early in our democratic discussion. health care i think is a good example. my view on health care is that we passed the affordable care act. we made a difference to a lot of people. we were on defense politically for ten years. then trump tried to repeal it. we beat them and we were on offense. then bernie right away puts medicare for all and he int

forget, not only would we hear from michael cohen, but there are recordings that michael cohen made with himself and donaldyou know, when you have someone like michael cohen, who has a lot of baggage and has lied before and has very questionable credibility, what prosecutors try to do is corroborate what they have to say with documents, recordings and other witnesses. so that recording where he's talking with president trump about the payments and creating the false shell company and all those kinds of things could really help bolster his credibility if it comes to his testimony. >> and just to be crystal clear is there anything that william barr could do to stop this investigation or to intervene in it? >> no, he really couldn't. and you know, in any federal case, the attorney general is the boss of anybody bringing those charges, so he does have that ability. in a state case, he has no ability whatsoever. it's a separate sovereign. and also don't forget that doj opinion from the office of legal counsel that says a sitting president cannot be indicted, that only binds federal prosecutors. and so we may se

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donald trump? >> el wewell, michigan voters, michael will speak to those people who speak to their issues and we doave to choose between being progressive and solving problems. the reality is governor whitmer and i ran on the most progressive agenda that a democrat has ever run on in the state of michigan. we won by ten points. we know how campaigns can win on issues. when democrats focus on those issues, again, education, infrastructure, closing the skills gap, clean water. that's what will help them win. we need to make sure we're speaking to premium directly. >> yeah, i'm just not sure, mr. lieutenant governor those are the issues that did get the attention. i understand that's what resonate in your state, probably in a state like mine, in pennsylvania, in ohio, and wisconsin as well. i'm not sure that's the picture that emerged in five hours over the span of two different nights. >> well, the candidates still have opportunity and we look forward to them showing up in michigan and those key states. this is what they need to speak to. whatever happened in the stage. that's one moment in time. thi

at some point michael comey even realizes to break the law donald trump wants you to break, you can'te things he wants you to break it for. >> and asking anyone who walks into the white house to do his bidding every day, is there anything left to sacrifice? >> how is any human being that can walk on two legs and reads the basic english language, walks in and says donald trump will pardon me if i do something illegal or wrong? how is paul manafort doing these days? how is michael cohen doing? trump is a utterly faceless person. >> and i was heartened to see democrats add this to their impeachment proceedings. what poext proceedings? >> it hasn't happened. to put together maybe a file to think about it. that is literally hypothetically all they have done. and it's interesting because we had more news this week, up to 135, 138 democrats who say they want to do it, polling is in their favor. top four democratic nominees are leading trump by eight to ten digits. the political consequence argument, which is what nancy pelosi and insiders have been using for months and months is no longer th

. >> now there's some hate powerful flyers out in long island michael l that are saying that send donald trump supporters to desk camp are these going to get worse? your opinion? >> of course because it is not just these wackos who show up up outside mitch mcconnell house or people who precinct off but a cnn contradict tore endorsed, celebrated these calls to threaten mitch mcconnell's life and msnbc host said that president trump wants more white supremacist mass shootings of former cnn contradict tore came out and vilify all of this country called for a senior advisor to the president to be murdered. just over parking lot past few days this is mainstream left that sex -- exploiting not yet dead bodies to push a ridiculous falsehood to pedal lies and to advance their own political agenda. it is disgusting they should be ashamed of themselves and they owe not just the president an apology but they owe all conservatives in this country an apology for baselessly smearing them as bigots without any sort of evidence that is so dangerous. and you're seeing the danger in the violence escalate

according to the state of new york, donald trump is an unindicted co-conspirator in the commission of crimes. michaelen is serving prison time for those crimes. prosecute donald trump on the campaign trail? we know according to the special counsel report, over 170 different meetings with the trump campaign and russia. if that was any other president, i do not think he would make it this far already. what will you do to prosecute that case? mr. steyer: claude, we need to distinguish between the constitutional ability to impeach and remove the president with a criminal charging of the president and prosecution after he is out of office. it is the practice of the department of justice not to pursue any criminal case against a sitting president because they feel it takes up too much of his time. any criminal prosecution must follow his leaving the presidency. while he is president, the constitutional remedy for a corrupt president like the one we have or someone who has broken the law and committed high crimes and misdemeanors, which he has, is an impeachment vote in the house and then removal by the sen

michael, madelaine westerhout, a fixture for donald trump since she won the election.ssentially the cigaretter for transmission meetings back at trump tower. you could see a host of these with rick perry, angstny scaramucci. elon musk a few. here is president trump in his own words speaking about her. >> if you would call madelaine in my office -- did you speak to madelaine. >> no, i didn't. >> madelaine is the key. she is the secret. >> she had a particularly powerful position there. does it surprise you that she would speak this way to reporters but also the content of the conversations would lead to her being fired. >> well, jim, i can't speak to the conversations as you know. they're off the record. and as a white house reporter, you know, abade by those -- by the stipulations. but you're right, madelaine was one of the lesser known figures in the white house. but one that wielded quite a bit of power. she sat outside right outside the oval office. has been a fixture with trump through the campaign. through the transition, and the first few years at the white house

and of course we're just a day away from g 7 where donald trump will be in attendance. that's right president michael knows that there are divisions he said so publicly within the g. 7 a how to deal with iran he said that he that we shall see how the americans are ready to move forward after his meeting with the iranian foreign minister in the company of france's foreign minister to now the french and of other european powers a very aware of the heightened tensions in the gulf involving iranian oil tankers and they would like to see of course some of those companies which have been hit. reestablishing trade ties with iran where we understand that president michael is floating the idea of bringing back waivers so that for at least a limited time iran can start to sell some of its crude oil which might open up a pathway to talks again over the nuclear dossier but there's no indication right now that either president trump or his national security advisor john bolton both attending the g. 7 this weekend will be receptive to that kind of talk right and that team thank you very much. live in paris. now th

and i understand why people who have been close to donald trump would be concerned about him. >> michael crowley, few people would have believed us if we'd said two years ago there's going to be this mueller report and when it comes out very few people will actually read it. but that is actually what happened. mueller is done with in terms of a chapter in our history and in the trump presidency. yet there was no rest period, no pivot on the part of the subject of the investigation, just continued chaos. >> right. you could imagine a parallel universe where okay, donald trump went through this incredible turbulence of the federal investigation, the mueller report, you know, some people thought that he was going to be potentially indicted or possibly impeached. anything seemed possible. was there this vast conspiracy with russia that would completely destroy his presidency? well, he basically survived that. impeachment is kind of out of the headlines now. it's not i suppose impossible. but it looks like it's not going to happen. you could imagine him going for a fresh start, trying to ride

the payments of course were made in 2016 by candidate donald trump and his lawyer michael cohen in whatorted by the "new york times". whether or not senior executives filed false business records about the hush money. an attorney for the trump organization responded in a statement which reads in part, this is a political hit job. it's just harassment of the president, his family, and his business. joining me now is former federal prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst, cynthia oxney. are trump org people correct is this presidential harassment? >> no. a response to a grand jury is not a press release by a lawyer. it is a response to the grand jury. they are requesting documents and they should get them. the frame of this, here we are in new york state. we don't have attorney general barr to intervene. we don't have the olc memo to protect the president. and we don't have a pardon power. >> the most -- you know tom. he is one of our folks here at msnbc news. it would be a misdemeanor, right? michael cohen is sitting in prison right now. what are prosecutors hoping to get out of this? >> well

. >> he was essentially lying andd deceiving and trying to entrap michael flynn to pursue the russia hoax against donalddonald trump. >> sean: did he deny flynn basically his miranda rights by saying, you don't need a lawyer? >> he did. you heard on tape comey saying that we would never would have tried that with anyone else, and the other administration. but these two guys are the symbol of malevolence and corruption. it should be frightening to all americans that comey and mccabe rose through the ranks to become director of the fbi, both of them. >> sean: should he withdraw? >> absolutely, flynn should withdraw the plea and i suspect he will know that cindy powell is a defense attorney. >> he could cut this all short by pardoning flynn, especially of mccabe's and prosecutor. i would pardon flynn in a heartbeat. >> i agree 100%. >> sean: i agree with both of you. who is going to listen to little old sean hannity? >> oh, i think people listen. >> sean: we need equal justice. eventually, all of this has to be made public. this has to come out. when we come back from a mainstream media mob, yeah, they hit

donald trump. greg: notice he didn't say the post office. michael benny is running on his strength, being boring. week he doesn't want us to think about him. challenge accepted. then there is john delaney who remind me of someone. it's too bad. a self-made millionaire who successfully started companies comes out looking weird among a crowd of leftists. what about mary and williamson, the sexy psychic. please tell me she'll qualify for the next debate. sorry, but she is not there yet. what she seed is some bumper stickers. so i thought we would help. williamson 2020, leadership, honesty and ghost busting. williamson 2020, vote for me or i will hex your family. williamson 2020, i just spoke to our founding fathers and they want me as president. williamson 2020, bind is a scorpio and scorpios are stupid. williamson 2020, it's iter me or the succubus i shall such man will destroy all of you. >> what i'm surprised at is williamson isn't higher. greg * she is high. >> you have a stage full of weirdo crack pots. you want to go to the one who is most of entertaining. she is having her own focus group. yo

that because he was essentially lying and deceiving and trying to entrap michael flynn to pursue the russia hoax against donaldrum donald trump. >> sean: did he denies flynn his basically recommend a miranda rights by saying no, you don't need a lawyer question my >> he did and then you hear on tape called me saying it we would never try that with anyone else in any other initiation. these two guys are the symbol of malevolence and corruption and it should be frightening to all americans that comey and mccabe rose through the ranks to become director of the fbi come both of them. >> sean: should he would just withdraw that? >> absolutely you should root withdraw thoughtfully and i suspect he should. >> come the president can cut that's all shred by pardoning them. i would pardon flynn in a heartbeat if i were him. stu and i grew at a hundred percent. i agree with both of you but who is going to listen to little old sean hannity? well, we need equal justice. eventually, all of this has to be made public pair this has to come out. all right, only come back on the mainstream media mob, yet they had an even lower

think you're right he may never get to the sixty's with all the donald trump tweets and bloopers that are piling up j. clarke and michael harrison thank you for stepping into the big picture and thank you all for watching the big picture i'm holland cook in washington back here same time next week meantime question more. so what we've got to do is identify the threats that we have it's crazy. let it be an arms race. spearing dramatic to follow only. i don't see how that strategy will be successful very critical time to sit down and talk. with 6 of those to submit. my little course. of business with the most. ok see that guys go and do a bios of look at them on your buddies to follow it's almost the same token from the show such as the flute souls a. new tool in your. new book. oh hi there i'm max kaiser this is the kaiser report. lot of people talk about ponzi scams but do people really know what a ponzi scheme is stacy well of course we've been talking about ponzi schemes because he can't taper a ponzi and that was attempted over the past year with quantitative tightening in interest rates rising obviously that has all

that's a good description of what's been happening michael has shown to trump that he can pursue this path of dialogue and let's put it this way at least donald trump has not contradicted now when it comes to world trade it's a little more tricky because when i started out reporting to an off days ago i started out by reporting that's donald trump had 2nd thoughts on escalating the conflict with china then the white house came around and said look at this is a misinterpretation it's not about regrets it is the president 3 correcting that he didn't slots left half are saying tougher tariffs on china and today we had news that actually the president thinks things are moving in the right direction and we're about to have a deal so let's put it this way no for the threats and no further insecurity for world trade today and again or you know everything you just said speaks to the fact that trump is as unpredictable as ever and yet in mangal mccrone he appears to be the one leader who can accurately read the u.s. president would you agree with that. i would say my call made a real effort here to find a way to communicate with the american president

will be negotiating with somebody other than donald trump, somebody easier than donald trump to deal with, let's ask michaeln it -- institute and author of 100-year marathon, chinese strategy to replace america as the global super power, michael, appreciate it. >> thank you, david. david: this this is the week whe markets begin to price in the possibility of no deal with china before the election, we saw it happen, we saw the tick on monday, the terrible drop when the reality of that scene settled in, is the market right no deal with china before the election? >> well, there's a good chance now of no deal, the president has been making the case that the chinese see the democrats as softer, much softer than he is on the china trade especially on enforcement, and so i checked with the chinese myself, david, both their press and talking to chinese individuals who advise the government, they do believe that biden will win and got polls and their own assessment, interestingly enough to me back in 2016 they said trump will win, he will carry wisconsin, pennsylvania, and michigan and i said, no, that's not true, i

shery: you know is -- michael: you know as well as i do that no one can answer that question. donaldmp is all over the lot. all we know is he has threatened to raise tariffs on china again and he has put tariffs on china. when you couple those things together, you have central bankers who have to believe there will be a greater effect on the global economy than there has been to this point. they already think there is a problem. they are in the mode of preparing for whatever they think they can do to try to offset it. the message out of jackson hole was we cannot help with this. there is no president for this kind of thing. this is not something that responds to lower interest rates. shery: central bankers have limited ability to push in the global economy. yet, chair powell seems to be sending the same message, that there is significant risk and he is willing to act. michael: yes. he is willing to act. they are the only game in town as the book would have it. there is not much they can do. they know they are going to cut rates, at least once in september, they let the markets price

down oh no way i'm so in a way an opportunity for him at all michael to send a message out to all of the global leaders particularly donald trump. the tough lifers there from paris find some tasha. plenty more ahead on the news hour including the u.s. and turkey agree to launch the 1st phase of a safe zone in northern syria for displaced syrians to return home. and the u.n. warns of lifesaving aid cuts in yemen where i was significant new funds. and it's a bad night for football or wade when a chill will tell you why in sports. let's return to our top story on iran taking on france's proposal to salvage the nuclear deal from this one nicole is the former french ambassador to iran and he joins us by skype from sun a resort in the sides of france a star thank you very much for joining us what do you make of these proposals and we don't have a whole heap of detail but what's your feeling. well you know mr zarif will need mr mccrone to more all we really need the french foreign minister also. something is. working you there is something in the obviously there have been many contacts already between the 2 presidents a reunion

won't back down on a whim so in a way an opportunity for him at all michael to send a message out to all the global leaders particularly donald trump to touch about life for us there from paris find some tasha plenty more ahead on the news hour including the u.s. and turkey agree to launch the 1st phase of a safe zone in northern syria for displaced syrians to return home. and the u.n. warns of lifesaving aid cuts in yemen where i was significant new funds. and it's a bad night for football away when a chill will tell you why in sports. let's return to.

donald trump democrats in michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. i'm joined now by heidi and an msnbc contributor and michaelteele rejoins us as well. >> to all of you, who is the democratic street fighter that michael moore is dreaming of? he suggested michelle obama. i can promise you that she's not running for president. >> this is the process, is to figure out who that person is. >> was that person on the stage either of these two nights? >> we may be getting more questions than answers. i guess i'm with the conventional wisdom that biden did okay. but to the point that michael moore is making, i don't think he answered very specific questions about whether he can far with trump. you look at some of the reactions from the democratic operative class and it's a bubble, of course, but a lot of the questions are is he on his feet enough, did he look old. those are aesthetics. maybe that doesn't matter. but to michael moore's point, does the candidate have the energy to do so. this is a process. obviously we'll see how it plays out. but i think we are sitting here with more questions than answers. >> i think