as michael dukakis gotten over it? >> after the election, he was able to -- rather than wallow -- >> he went back to a day job. >> he did. in his concession speech he talked about -- imagine you're talking to the most hard-core supporters you've had, and they're disappointed obviously. in the last scene in the film you hear him say that -- this is after being walloped. he says politics is a noble profession. i don't want you to be discouraged, i want you to be encouraged. from the get-go i think he was able to sort of put the hard feelings aside and sort of think of it in a more -- and this is very michael dukakis -- think of it in an analytical sense. he would say if he had a nickel for every person that came up to him in a supermarket who said you're nothing like you portrayed in 1988 you would be a rich man. i think it hurt but unlike other candidates he's able to address why he lost. >> and yet there is going to be some democrats who don't have sympathy for dukakis for one reason, including a guy named joe biden. b

george herbert walker bush and michael dukakis talking about heroes. >> i agree with the governor on, governor on athletics, and there is nothing corny about having sports heroes, young people that are clean and honorable out there setting the pace. i think of dr. anthony fauci, probably never heard of him a very fine research top dr. at national institute of health doing research on this disease of aids. c-span: that was 1988. what was the impact on you? >> guest: i did not know -- i did not see the debate. i was out of town coming in on a plane. the next morning when i walked in, as i walked in to the lobby people started clapping. i said, what is this all about. what do you mean? the president told you a hero during a national debate seen by a hundred million people. i was totally surprised. c-span: did you know him? >> guest: well, very well. i have a great privilege of getting to know president george hw bush and the time that he was vice president. when he was getting ready to run for president he sincerely wanted to know more about this strange disease called aids because quit

editor at the time and i didn't know it but he was -- i believe he was the panelist who asked michael dukakis what he would do if his wife were raped and murdered? so he had tremendous influence on the 1988 political presidential election. i didn't notice this at the time. i called him up and was in the process of speaking to someone and suddenly he gets on the phone and i said -- look -- gerald boyd -- what do you want? i was sort of telling him i was a medical student and then it turned out he was from st. louis. not just that he was from st. louis but he actually had lived on the same streets i was currently living on, kings highway. so he started asking me where do you live? you are in medical school and at the end of the conversation he said next time you are in new york give me a call and we will have coffee. i said that is wonderful so i did what any aspiring writer would do up the phone, called american airlines and book the flight to new york. is then i called his assistant and i said i am coming to new york and mr. boyd wants to meet with me. and who are you? so anyway i went to new

john kerry, mitt romney we can go back, michael dukakis, i thought it was intriguing i don't think ithanges elizabeth warren's mind. the opening has been there, she could have run and still could run at hillary clinton's left. i don't think in her heart of hearts she wants to do it but intriguing the boston globe picking up the mantle. >> and susan page hillary clinton is in washington today at the campaign for american progress, tonight she's going to be speaking actually at a journalism found razor in honor of our friend and late colleague robin toner of the "new york times." then what, timing? >> in terms of her announcement? i think it's coming next month. i think the e-mail furor has reinforced a point that her supporters have made that she needs a infrastructure in place to respond. these stories are not going away as with the latest round of benghazi e-mails. >> suggesting some of her senate colleagues were using their private e-mails rather than having government e-mails so it would have been captured. to be continued for sure. susan page great to see you, chris cillizza and k

michael dukakis and i were meeting with a group to support the boston harbor islands because we think we've doubled the usable area in the city of boston that came in part because of creating the locks of the sea and knocking down barriers to the boston harbor. until we did that, nobody knew the islands were there and it was not a source of recreation. i think that is going to be seen in retrospect as the biggest thing since the filling in of the back in terms of the topographical history of boston. that is something government can do for you and it is a story governors will tell because they've been there and done nothing but through it. it's not like they were in washington and cast a vote and the tangible benefits fell 1500 miles away. i hate to sound pollyanna-ish, but that is the direction i see the republican party going in. >> larry, if you were to look at new york state, anyone in the republican party or do you nationally nelson rockefeller, the ones that richard had articulated so eloquently here. >> we have governor pataki for 12 years who assisted me but republican governor