>> michael dukakis: 17 years. >> cooper: wow. >> kitty dukakis: yeah. long time. >> michael dukakis: one would think that somehow, sometime, earlier than 17 years, somebody would have said, "hey, go see dr. welch." >> dr. charlie welch: hi. >> cooper: dr. charlie welch administers e.c.t. here at mclean psychiatric hospital outside boston. he was the person kitty dukakis came to see about getting it. what did you say to her when she first came? >> welch: i said, "i'm glad you've decided to do this. i think we can get you feeling better fairly quickly." >> cooper: her doctor previously had-- had told her-- who was treating her, told her, "don't go for e.c.t." >> welch: correct. >> cooper: back then, e.c.t. was among the most vilified treatments in psychiatry because of the way it used to be administered, portrayed disturbingly in the film "one flew over the cuckoo's nest." >> welch: clearly, "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" gave e.c.t. a bad name, because that's not how it actually is done. >> cooper: it was done that way in the past. >> welch: in the pa

party to the other than west virginia over the last generation from a democratic state voter from michael dukakist or not in 1988 to one where every county lined up in 2016. he won it by 42 points in 2016. so manchin in the last decade, he's faced head winds before. in 2010 he had to run for a -- to complete a term there in the senate in 2010, big republican midterm here. obama was president, head winds against the democratic party, manchin did win that race by ten points so he survived something like this before, to me he's an incumbent, an analysis talking about the trump state democrats here. every one of those trump state democrats has one thing in common. the best thing to happen to them policeally in 2018 is the fact that trump got elected in 2016 because the midterm election tends to work for the out party so it's a little bit of an advantage there for manchin you otherwise wouldn't have. >> nick, i'm still debating and i wonder if today is going to be a bellwether of sorts, whether it's helpful to be an insurgent candidate in the donald trump area or harmful. and you look at indiana, too,