you mentioned the campaigns of long ago, you showed michael dukakis, the 1988 campaign, that was my first presidential campaign. this is my tent. nine campaigns ago, michael the caucus, look at this, he only won 10 states. think about how many things have changed. michael dukakis, the democrat, he won west virginia by five points. democrats did not do well in the suburbs. they did well with blue-collar voters. michael dukakis looked at a place like pennsylvania. george hw bush did not win by a lot, but michael dukakis did note that he wanted to swing the suburbs. he said that george h.w. bush is going to take away your rights. >> isn't the real question that we have to answer, not how many exceptions we make, because the vice president himself is prepared to make exceptions, it is who makes the decision. and i would hope that we would give to women in this country, the right to make that decision. >> erin, bucks county, just outside of philadelphia. michael dukakis loses, bush gets 60%, and around here, delaware county, 60%. remember those ads, george hw bush ran on crime, michael dukakis

on the president, themselves what -- of 19, 88 they did not elect michael dukakis, they did not comehat debate, having any question that she was better for her to step in as president. her ratings are very similar, -- she's maybe a little bit of different because of the advanced age, and more someone -- on whether she is able to step in if he's unable to go to her. >> they are not -- >>, know she is as weak as he is. she is as weak as he is, and likely to be as strong as he. is ultimately the verdict is biden staying, in and running again. the verdict is going to be on him, and on his republican opponents, and particularly if it's trump, biden has got to hope that there is going to be, as there were in 20, 22 unusually -- >> the reality, is she saw hardaway from the presidency. it's a very different mix right, now when we look at the equation, we see heard this close, and the only trotted out to corca statue and sees one this biden administration, exit that has been her role. she's done that. well i think when you look at the broader, picture it is very scary to see somebody like her

of john kerry is something that should not be forgotten or the e-mails of hillary clinton or michael dukakis. you have to respond in a 21st century media environment. you have to. >> michael larosa, charlie dent, we have to leave the conversation there. two fellows with very high fafshlth ratings on cnn. thanks for being with us. still to come secretary of state antony blinken says it is clear that israel cannot occupy gaza at the end of this war, but there may be a need for i a transition period. we have more on the implications, what that could mean. >>> and back in the united states, congresswoman rashida tlaib is censured over controversial comments she made about israel, a move that has bitterly divided some members of her own party. >>> and later, the sun may be setting on panda diplomacy. two giant pandas flying out of washington headed back home to china this hour, leaving only a handful left in the united states. we'll explain why china says they want their r bears backck. >>> nothing is left. that's how some palestinians are describing gaza city just one month since israel's war on

tuchman: i distinctly remember saying, "i'm looking forward to seeing michael dukakis, but i'm more lookingrd to s seeing john f. kennededy . mamake his spepeech. over a quauarter centutury ag, my father stood before you to accept the nomination for the presidency of the united states. it made people wonder if this was going to be the first of many speeches that would propel him one day to alslso running g for the president t of the uninited sta. so manany of you c came into public s service bececause of . in a very real sense, because of you, he is with us still. and from that point on john the man was a superstar. cuomo: sexiest man, most beautiful man, most desired man, and that's just what i thought of him. jfk jr. was photographed all the time coming in n and out ofof bars with beaututiful womenen. whenen you thinknk of all ththes that he e went out with, it's kind of remarkable there aren't more memoirs of "mymy night witith john," but therere weren't,t, anand i think k that's becece hehe treated women w well. anandersen: hehe was datining e like madonna. he also dated sarah jessica p

. >> tammy: may i address this, i remember when michael dukakis was asked how he would feel if his wife raped. he got slammed for being stoic about that. women are expected to have a different type of approach, not used to being seen in power or as aggressive. the way we speak is more nuanced as opposed to direct. now people see a woman in that position reacting as any man would react and not be criticized in the same manner. she was getting under her skin, she didn't like what she was hearing when her daughter was brought in. i would expect that woman or any parent to be aggressive, leave my child out of this. i want that kind of connection emotionally and intellectually about what is appropriate and what is not within the framework of discipline, that is why debates are important. you see a frat boy auditioning for a television show, which he may get, versus a woman who is diplomat and politician who can be the president of the united states, so bravo and like with this panel here, you hear women with different approaches, different styles and yes, sometimes we get blushed because we

candidate who said i am a proud card-carrying member of the aclu and gave a speech we wish of michael dukakis had given in real life. he said to his opponent he said i am a member of this organization defends all fundamental freedoms to matter who you are no matter what you believe. why aren't you a member of the aclu are not membership numbers shot upward and civil liberty including tend to be supportive. it is not always under seizure. such a vintage of thomas jefferson internal vigilance is the price of liberty. >> of your political views altered in the past couple of decades you are at freedom infested. >> my political views have been centrist liberal throughout my entire life. but much more important to me then it might views of policy issues are my views on neutral fundamental civil rights, civil liberties and human rightsli issues. i continue to believe that again no matter who you are and what you believe you are entitled to these freedoms and these basic rights. and i will defend them for you. undertaken to defend them. on behalf of the immediate beneficiary vary in terms of their po

he actually gave a speech we wish michael dukakis had given in real life. to his opponent, he said i am a member of this organization which defends all fundamental freedoms for all people no matter who you are, no matter what you believe. the question is, why are you not a member of the aclu? our membership numbers shot up. sadly, this shows when people see a dramatic threat to civil liberties, including free speech, is when they tend to be supportive. otherwise, they tend to take it for granted and not realize it is always under siege and requires, to quote a phrase it's riveted to thomas jefferson, eternal -- attributed to thomas jefferson, eternal vigilance. peter: have your political views altered in the past couple of decades? you were at freedom fest. nadine: my political views have more or less been centrist liberal throughout my life. but much more important to me than my views on policy issues are my views on neutral, fundamental civil rights, civil liberties, and human rights issues, where i continue to believe no matter who you are or what you be

and michael dukakis saying, i'm not going to answer those bush attacks, saying i'm unpatriotic while er the country. and dukakis just kept mowing his lawn saying, i'm not going to answer those attacks. you got to answer those attacks. like whoever inside the white house is telling joe biden not to attack donald trump, stop it. seriously, stop it. all right, and maybe start a lawn service with push lawn mowers. but you don't know what you're doing and talking about and you're costing the president. you really are. you're costing him points. this is a political battle to the end, donald trump is trying to destroy joe biden. i'm not exactly sure, willie, who inside the white house is saying, hey, when you go up against the champ, mike tyson in '91, muhammad ali in like '73, you should fight by marcus of queensbury rule, no, you got to go after him. no-holds-barred. they're trying to debate. do we play nice or take it to the guy who stole nuclear secrets, accused of being rapist by a new york judge and has 91 felony counts against him charged. it's not hard. i don't think this is hard. i'

bush suddenly carried kentucky and michael dukakis carried kentucky back in 1988. if you went over the western part of the state, western coal country in kentucky, it happened a little bit earlier, about 1996, the democrats' last stand with bill clinton, but you've seen these massive, massive shifts in these rural areas of kentucky and other states like it. >> lot of eyes on those house races the senate races, not only did democrats hold the senate, they flipped the senate in a blow to glenn youngkin in virginia. >> again, we have the numbers here, unfortunately the board can do many wonderful things but state legislative district boundaries we don't have drawn in here yet, but anyway, coming into last night the democrats did control the state senate, they had 22-18 margin and there are still uncalled races but they'll finish with at least 21, keep in mind the backdrop, one of the big pieces of context here in virginia was everybody last night in both the state legislative chambers was running under brand-new and some radically altered lines. a big fight over redis

. >> and i'm older, i remember michael dukakis never responded to anything. he could get away with that because he has had a 60% job approval rating! for all this talk, alexi, what do we know about when he's actually going to announce his re-election and really get out there full-time and take on trump in a real way? >> i think it only benefits them to wait, to wait it out because he can continue to focus on governing, on being president, and the second that he announces properly his re-election campaign, we will all be comparing him to trump. voters will be comparing him to trump. i think that would change the contours of the republican primary, which of course is already going in donald trump's favor, and so he can continue to be this leader that donald trump is not and reassert himself ass incumbent president, which i would argue donald trump is looked at other side as the incumbent president for the republicans. >> all right, thank you so much, michael la rosa and alexi mccammond, great to ha you both here. >>> finally this morning a quick update on the n