michael ellis, a quick supplementary. >> just if i could ask, miss hitchens, i think you referred to the self-indulgence in the use of drugs. would you suggest, would you support the premise that actually it's not only those who are being self-indulgence who par-take in the use of drugs? do you accept that many people, certainly when they start out using drugs, are feeling unwanted and depressed and lonely and inadequate, and when they get into the first use of drugs, and that they need help, and that they are in effect victims too? and that sizable efforts need to be made towards rehabilitation rather than just punishment? >> personally, no. i think that taking drugs is a wrong thing to do. i think that there's a good reason for there being a law against and it if people do it they should be punished according to the law. i think if we'd held to that, we would still have the levels of drug use which we had before the 1971 act which were minimal. and i don't think drug users should be indulged. i don't think advocates of drug decriminalization should be indulged either, as the previo

this could be written up as michael ellis is sprawled on a pin by the whit of brand or they could say the recalcitrant former drug addict rambled on. if you're reading "the telegraph," it will say one thing, "the socialest worker" will say another thing. >> abomination. >> what i want to offer people is truth and aauthenticity. celebrities, as we all know, is a vacuous toxic concept used to distract people from what's important, and in this case that's treatment of people with disease and addiction. >> mr. summers. >> as far as we were concerned, those people who are brave enough, who are both celebrities and recovering addicts, have a profound effect on the number of people who seek treatment because it gives out a very positive message that recovery is possible. and when russell brand's book came out, the number of referrals to our treatment center was just, you know, hugely exaggerated because people suddenly discovered that treatment was possible, help was possible, and people could get better. it made a profound difference. i would hope that actually more people in the public eye

michael ellis a quick supplementary. >> you referred to the self inactual against in the use of drugs. would you support the premise that actually it's not only those who are being self indulgent who partake in the use of drugs. do you accept many people when they start out using drugs are feeling unwanted and depressed and lonely and inadequate and when they get into the first use of drug, and they need help and they are in effect victims, too, and that sizable efforts need to be made towards rehabilitation rather than punishment. >> personally no. i think that taking drugs is a wrong thing to do. i think there is a good reason there being a law against it. if people do it should be funnished according to the law. if we held to that then we could still have the levels of drug use which we had before the 1971 act which were minimal. and i don't think drug users should be indulged. i don't think decriminalization should be indulged as the previous witnesses were. >> if i could quickly -- >> i have to say i do differ with peter here. i agree with much of what mr. brand said about abstin

this could be written up, michael ellis is sprawled on a pill there by the wit or brand or could say former drug addict rambled on. if you read it in "the telegraph," in one thing, in "the socialist worker," it's going to say another thing. behave yorp has got components. but i'm saying, what i want to you have aer people is truth and authenticity. i think celebrity is a toxic concept used to distract people from what is actually important and in this case, that's treatment of people with the disease of addiction. >> mr. somers? >> as far as we were concerned, those people who are brave enough, who are both celebrities and recovering addicts have a profound effect on the number of people who seek treatment, because it givens out a very positive message that recovery is possible. and when russell brand's book came out, the number of referrals to our treatment center was just, you know, hugely exam rated because people. suddenly discovered that treatment was possible, help was possible and people could get better. and it made a profound difference. i would help that more people in the

. >> following her resignation, officer ellis declined our request for an interview. michael have to find another source of income as well. he has just met with the prison's disciplinary hearing board for allegedly having conned an elderly man out of thousands of dollars. >> what's going on? >> found me guilty of fraud. telling somebody i was going to come home if they sent money. they sent money, i didn't come home. i feel really bad about not being in contact with my friend. he meant so much to me. and helped me to make it through the next day, just knowing somebody out there cared about me. now i have nobody. all my family has passed away. now i'm alone in the world. if they were to release me tomorrow, i have nowhere to go. >> in addition to giving hollon one year in the detention unit, prison officials would like to pursue additional criminal charges. but they might not get the help they need from the district attorney's office. >> at this point i'm going to call the daughter back. >> hello. >> this is doug ayers. i was calling you to bring you up to speed on the status