reminds you, not to think of race the way that black, brown, red and yellow people have been. >> michael eric dyson, and his recent book. let's hear from the audience. i should have warned you dr. dyson, we'll hear a delay, but it will be fine. >> okay. >> go ahead, colorado you're on book tv. >> caller: dr. dyson, a real privilege. i wonder if you could comment on the privatization of prisons, seems important to me that they stay under public oversight. with the trump administration, i wonder if you could comment on that with race relations. i enjoyed your interview this week. >> host: thank you, bill in boulder. >> guest: no, it's an extremely important point you're making. this is unprecedented in an era when we've had unprecedented things before us. and barack obama being the first black president in the nation. and donald trump bringing his family on board not disclosing the nature of his affiliations with certain businesses especially on foreign soil. we don't know the extent to which president trump is involved with russia, for instance, and that has grave and serious foreign policy conseque

michael eric dyson? >> guest: it is a compelling and powerful point. some argue it was pre-dated slavery. the idealogical views of differences fuelled slavery but the reality is he is right. there has been a lingering effect of racism in the country even in terms of the histories we apply to. in "tears we cannot stop" i talk about the fact america loves history when it is about recreations of the civil war or talking about lincoln or franklin. there are many more aspects that need to be interrogated but when it comes to the history of black and brown people get over it. can't you stop talking about the past? i thought you were addicted to the past. we live in the united states of amnesia and barbara striesand said the same things, what is too painful to remember we simply chose to forget. we have amnesia when it comes to serious issues that challenge american societies. dangerous memories that are embedded in people of color and others if you will minorities in this country. i think slavery is a metaphor to talk about why don't want to deal with the sl

partly what to be white is not to know your right until someone reminds you. >> host: michael eric dyson is our guest and this is his most recent book. let's hear from the audience. i should have warned you ahead of time, doctor dyson will hearo a small delay but it will bekay. fine. bill in boulder colorado. go ahead. >> caller: hey, doctor dyson. a real privilege. i was wondering if you could comment on the privatization it seems important to me that they stay under public oversight and with the trump administration increasing privatization in this country could you comment on the racial relations? i enjoyed your interview. you, >> host: thank you, bill in g boulder. >> guest: it's an extremely point important point they are talking about. this is unprecedented. in an era when we been many unprecedented things before us. barack obama been the first black president of the united states of america, now donald trump bringing intense privatization, he is bringing his family on board, he is notd disclosing of the nature of his affiliation with certaincially businesses, especially in foreign

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john: that michael eric dyson.e believe slavery gave american capitalists a head start because they didn't have to pay workers. so they say slavery made capitalism successful. but economist don boudreaux says the opposite's true. what do you mean? >> that's just a crazy notion. slavery has been around for about 10,000 years, since the beginning of the agricultural revolution. if slavery were instrumental in starting capitalism, why did it take 10,000 years for it to start? also if you look at the places in the world where capitalism first took off -- britain and holland -- they got rid of slavery early. look at the americas. in the northern part of the united states, slavery was gotten rid of long before it was gotten rid of in the southern part, and the northern part was the capitalist part, the wealthier part -- john: more prosperous in almost every way. >> for the rich and the middle classes in the north and in the south. john: but there's a logic to it, if you could get free labor from some workers, then those

. >> "tears we cannot stop" is the name of the book and michael eric dyson is the author. and booktv is live on the campus of the university of southern california for the 22nd annual los angeles times festival of books. chamber of commerce. picture perfect day on the campus. we going to go back to the hancock building and show you the next author panel. this is panel on the republican party. radio talk show hugh hewitt, peggy grande, and corey fields who writes about "black elephants in the room." this is live coverage on booktv. the room. live coverage on tv. [inaudible conversations] >> welcome everybody to the los angeles times book festival. the grand old party forum. i am john thomas, your moderator for today. i am a republican political strategist by trade and like to do a lot of talking on cnn and kfi radio. we have a distinguished panel and i will not do most of the talking. the format today is we will have a conversation about their books and the state of the republican party and national elections and see how that evolves. we will do that for 30-ish minutes beca

. >> host: tears we cannot stop, a sermon to white america, michael eric dyson is the author. booktv is live at the university of southern california for the 22nd annual los angeles times festival of books, chamber of commerce, picture-perfect day on campus. ucla's crowd. we go back to the hancock villain and show you the next panel on the republican party, radio talkshow's hugh hewitt, peggy grande and corey fields who talks about the elephant in the room. live coverage on tv. [inaudible conversations] >> welcome, everybody, to the la times book festival, the grand old party for him. thanks for joining us, my name is john thomas, your moderator for today. i am a republican political strategist, i do hard talking head stuff on cnn, thanks for joining us. i won't do a lot of the talking today because we have a distinguished panel today that has written some neat books. the format will be we are going to have a conversation partially about their books but also about the state of the republican party national elections and see how that evolves into that for 30 minutes, and you ca

. >> michael eric dyson was on the program to talk about his book and he writes in his most recent back is that donald trump is the most dangerous racist demagogue who has ever had an office. >> guest: well, that would overlook the fact that a lot of people prior to the civil war were share holders and i think -- michael is a friend and was on my panel earlier. a very smart guy and provocateur. so i don't agree with him and dealing with trump, the president, 15 times on the air and radio, four times in debate, i don't think he's a racist or homophobe. he's a developer and i represented developers for 30 years, developers are who they need to be, when they need to be that and whatever room they're in, in order to get the deal they want done, done. i really don't believe that michael is right. he threw out a question from the middle of the record to derek. that was a very funny question, and michael knows what he is doing, provocateur and very good at it. >> host: during the primary who were you support snag i didn't because i was doing the debates. i was switzerland. did 170 interviews w

. >> host: michael eric dyson was on to talk about his and one thing me writes is that donald trump is the most dangerousmo racist demagogue we have ever had in office. >> guest: that would overlook the fact that lot of people prior to the civil war weree slave holders and i tech -- mica michael is a friend and is a very smart guy and a very good provocateur but you have to erase all precivil war history. so i believe permanently from dealing with trump, the president's 15 times on their radio, four times on debate, i don't think he's a racist or homophobe.e. he's a developer, and i represented developers for 30 years, developerred are who they need to be, when they need to be that in whatever room they'reom in, no order to get the dial they wont done, done. dole believe that michael is right and i'd be happy to debate him. he threw out 0 question from the middle of the room to your derrick that was very funny question. michael knows what he is doing. >> host: during the primary who are you supporting? >> guest: i didn't because i was doing the debates. was switzerland. i did 170 inter