on my left, michael ettlinger is the vice-president for the center of american politics. chris edwards is from the cato institute. thank you for being here. i want to begin with what is the largest revenue raiser. president obama's plan to cap itemized deductions for high earners. the president says doing this will raise $400 billion, according to bloomberg news. the specifics of about this, the president planned to cap itemized deductions at 20% of income, and this would apply to individuals earning $200,000 or more and couples earning $250,000 or more. guest: we have a strange system of upside-down subsidies. people in the highest marginal tax bracket, 35%, when they take their mortgage interest deduction, they are getting a 35% subsidy from the government, 35% of their mortgage interest paid for by the government, and they are getting the money in the form of reduced taxes. someone in the 25% bracket, or lover bracket, gets lower levels of subsidy. no one who is designing a subsidy for home ownership outside of our weird system would ever give higher percentage subsidi