people are made aware of just how fragile their online privacy actually is now i'm joined by michael ettlinger who is a online privacy campaigner michael thanks very much for speaking to me how people started to take more of a interest in looking after their online security you know a lot of people do it in a different manner. some start to encrypt so you made something that we would like to support those people how to do it how to manage p.g.p. for example as a ron's reducer communication on the internet whatever this is going to be a big impact for everybody's life and i think we're just looking at the beginning of a big saying to somebody like myself who's barely computer literate is there anything that i can do is to look after my own online security. cost start to encrypt the e-mails start to use open software start to change your system on your computer not microsoft not apple but use linux are you going to and anything like that people away a year ago before these leaks from edward snowden just how would risk we are online . normal most of the people didn't realize that some few people