you note in the op-ed that michael fanone hasn't been able to land a permanent job. harry dunn has left the force. can you talk about what other consequences have you faced as a result of quite literally speaking truth to power? >> look, next week i'll be in court for one of the loving people, as he says. that loving day, that day full of love, that almost cost me my life because that day according to him, since it was full of love, they almost loved me to death. and part of the consequence i lost my health. i lost my financial stability to the point that i endure serious injury to my body and to my mental health, and i apply for some benefits. those benefits through the department of justice to this date, four years later, they have not been approved. as a matter of fact, they were denied. and i appeal. i set up an appeal. in the meantime, a friend of mine set up a gofundme to help me continue my life and support myself and my family. but the -- with this short amount of time. >> window that we had before the trump administration takes over doesn't give me a lot of

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officers like harry dunn and michael fanone who have been on this program. they deserve all of our gratitude, as do the many, many other officers who were at the capitol that day. cnn political commentators maria and brad todd. today's election certification comes four years to the day after trump supporters tried to overturn our democracy. steven collinson wrote, trump will send a message down through the ages that a president who refuses to accept the results of a fair and free election and incites danger on the capitol and regain power and get away with it. >> i think history will deem donald trump as one of the most violent presidents who allowed violence, who encouraged violence. and i don't think history will judge him well. i agree with steven that voters decided to prioritize the economy before the dangers of democracy. i also believe two things. first one is, i'm a huge believer in things happen for a reason. it might very well have been that if kamala harris had won, there could have been violence because donald trump would have promoted it. donald

maybe he meant daniel rodriguez who drove a stun gun into the neck of officer michael fanone. trump's of those people are political prisoners and hostages and patriots. when he returns to office and two weeks, he may pardon each and every one of them. that's the tip of the whitewashing. trump is stacking his cabinet with election deniers. one of the architects of the plot to steal the election was reelected speaker of the house. some lawmakers are bringing insurrectionists as guests to the inauguration, and it's hard to imagine any of that would be happening without trump, the leader of the republican party, the president elect embracing the role of the people who attacked the capitol four years ago. all that i outline, there's a natural inclination to feel off that the system failed in some way. i have done my own reflection over the last few years. i get it. i looked back at the months of january 6 as president biden was preparing to take office. as we were working to get judge merrick garland as attorney general. a man who has an unassailable resume and viewed the job as it

enforcement and is wounded and suffering still from the attack like officer harry dunn, like officer michael fanone and dozens of other police officers who stood up for democracy on that day, as well as people across the country who came forward to testify about this outrageous assault on the american constitutional order. >> let's talk about what is more serious. you say we are in the fight of our lives, it doesn't stop, the fight for democracy doesn't stop. this isn't a commemoration of a day in history, it's a current matter. what's the more important part of this current matter, the fact that donald trump says that when he comes into office he will pardon some or all of those people who were convicted of committing a crime in the course of january 6th events, or the fact that he wants to go after others, people like you, he talked about liz cheney an awful lot and he wants to prosecute people who were investigating january 6. are these equally serious? is one more serious than the other? >> well, it's all part of the same attack on constitutional democracy. look, the pardon power is used to par

michael fanone was tasered and had a stroke. aquilino gonell.aquilino gonell had massive surgery on his legs. these are not trivial injuries, and donald trump would be saying that it is okay to assault law enforcement. i don't want to hear anything about the republicans backing the blue. if they're going to support donald trump pardoning people who are convicted of assaulting law enforcement officers. >> i mean, instead, today he turned to ashli babbitt, who is kind of become this this cause for the january 6th ers, as we've heard this, you know, what we've been hearing from our reporters is for those who are in the the jail here in washington, you know, they kind of hold a vigil every night. we are told that some of the support groups that have raised a lot of money for these, these convicted criminals are preparing to have private planes in washington the day of trump's inauguration, in case he does follow through with these pardons. what do you think? what message does that send to people? >> well, look, it's obviously a terrible message, but