burgess owens is a former nfl player, the reverend michael faulkner is a candidate for new york comptroller both of them once played for the new york jets and both situated to comment on this both join us tonight. reverend, i want to go to you first and ask if you understand why this is all a little hard to take. nobody can contest the first amendment right of these players to do what they have done. to watch the most celebrated pampered people in america attack not police brutality but the country itself, can you see why people find that so very disgusting? >> you know, they don't know how to express their anger. and, you know, and i push back a little bit, tucker, on the riches, most pampered, because they have had to go through a journey to get where they are. so they have gone through some things to get where they are. they are not pampered. they weren't born of means, many of them were born into low income families, et cetera. they have gotten where they have gotten because of talent and god-given ability. >> tucker: isn't that the whole point you? are right, of course. what you said i