storm of 1987, which michael fish famously failed to forecastlj storm of 1987, which michael fish famouslyth alerts in cornwall and northern ireland and the west coast of scotland. i don't think it is going to be as bad as 1987. broadcasters are under pressure to over predicts, if you like, just in case they get it wrong. i think it will probably peter out. we were just listening to the forecast earlier and technically, we can't have a hurricane, so michael fish was right. let's talk about red poppies in schools. the story in the sunday telegraph is essentially about the peace pledge association who supports wide poppies. they took the stand at the end of the mutv conference. teachers are supporting the use of white poppies. it's one of those things where should white poppies be discussed in schools? it does come down to personal choice and preference, but it's one of those stories that we used to call marmalade. will end on your story, or one of your stories in the sunday times about prince george. he is that this prep school, at co—ed prep school that breaks with tradition. you are sayin

i'm michael fish and i was a bbc weatherman for over a0 years.'s been a lot of snow in eastern parts of the country overnight and still quite a lot to come. # the sun always shines on tv... and in october 1987, i drove an austin maestro. we gave the forecast in fahrenheit as well as celsius. nothing but bad news. if anything, trouble with the wind today, as you might say. and then, of course there was this... earlier on today, a woman apparently rang the bbc and said there was a hurricane on the way. well, if you are watching, don't worry, there isn't... i've become forever linked with what followed. the worst storms for hundreds of years hit the south of england early this morning, killing a dozen people and bringing the whole south—east to a halt. gales of more than 100 mph smashed buildings and caused millions of pounds worth of damage. there was no warning. the weathermen were caught with their forecast down. in fact, 18 people lost their lives in what was the biggest storm to hit britain since 1703. and there was a wall of cloud approaching

now on bbc news, "michael fish: the great storm and me." i am michael fish, and i was a bbc weatherman for over a0 years. i am michael fish, and i was a bbc weatherman for over 40 years. a lot of snow in eastern parts of the country overnight and still are lot to come. in october, 1987, i drove an austin micro. we gave forecast in fahrenheit as well as celsius. nothing but bad news, iam fahrenheit as well as celsius. nothing but bad news, i am afraid. trouble with the wind, you might say. and then, of course, there was this. earlier on, a woman rang the bbc and said there is a hurricanes on the way, if you are watching, don't worry, there isn't. on the way, if you are watching, don't worry, there isn'tli on the way, if you are watching, don't worry, there isn't. i have become forever linked with what followed. the worst storms for hundreds of years he'd uk this morning, killing dozens of people and bringing the whole south—east to and bringing the whole south—east to a halt. gales of over 100 miles per hour smashed buildings and caused mill

i'm michael fish and i was a bbc weatherman for over 40 years.night and still quite a lot to come. # the sun always shines on tv... and in october 1987, i drove an austin maestro.

joining us now is michael fish. good morning.bout the events of three decades ago. if only i had events of three decades ago. if only ihada events of three decades ago. if only i had a pound for every time that the tea have been played, i would be a multimillionaire by now. watching your conversation though, technically, meteorologically, you we re technically, meteorologically, you were right. yes. we don't get hurricanes anywhere near the british isles, but saying that, there was a nasty storm on its way to northern ireland. quite ironic it should happen 30 years to the day. give us some sense from your perspective as a meteorologist, how has the technology improved over the last three decades? to put it bluntly, how much better forecast now? much better and much longer. the amount of data is phenomenal. these days we have ships, aircraft ‘s, satellites, billions of pieces of data going to the forecast every day and the computer itself is so powerful. we have one of the most powerful computers in the world. in the old days, the

michael fish's ill—fated reassurance. . . isn't. michael fish's ill—fated reassurance...hurricane, but a area of low—pressure that felled 15 million trees. the storm's wind gust of 115 mph was recorded in west sussex. sustained winds that strong would rank asa sustained winds that strong would rank as a category three major hurricane, but just how rank as a category three major hurricane, butjust how i'll hurricane, butjust how i'll hurricane wind speed ranked? here is sarah. we often talk about the strength of hurricanes in terms of their categories. atlantique hurricanes measured on the saffir—simpson scale. the skill provides examples of the type of damage and the impacts associated with given wind speeds. category one, winds are between 74 and 95 mph, and can cause some damage to roofs and gutters and the doctors more trees. category two, winds between 96 to 110 mph. they can cause more extent of damage and power failures. category three, storm becomes a major hurricane, with winds between 111 and 129 mph, and can lead to devastating damage to buildings. category for

i am michael fish and i was a bbc weatherman for over 40 years. and still a lot to come. we gave forecast in fahrenheit as well celsius. i've got nothing but bad news. we have trouble with the winds today. and then there was this. earlier a woman called the bbc and said there was a hurricane on the way and if you are watching, don't worry, there isn't. the worst storms for hundreds of years hit the south of england early this morning, killing a dozen people and bringing the whole south—east to a halt. there was no warning, the weathermen were caught with their forecast down. so was it really a hurricane? i am meeting someone who should know the answer — tom schafernaker, the bbc weatherman. a mere eight years old in 1987, he is now a hurricane expert and i'm hoping tom can help me out. you are absolutely right, it was not a hurricane. hurricanes are different weather systems, they do not occur in the uk, they have to happen over tropical waters but the one in 1987 still produced hurricane—strength winds, so you don't have to have a hurricane to ma

we will talk to michael fishes in a moment.d lavrnd. as drawn broke some 15 million trees lay flattened in southern england. at the national trust estate in west sussex, 20,000 trees were lost. walking through the woods today you would be hard pushed to spot trace of that catastrophe. but that is thanks to forward thinking to the people in charge of the clear up at the time. we are in our southern hemisphere woodlands. it was known as coate's tree, the day after the storm. that is all that was left? yes. ed is the head of horticulture and he told me of the plan bes put in force after the storm. out of the carnage of that night came some incredibly clear, far—sighted thinking, not tojust incredibly clear, far—sighted thinking, not to just replace everything that was lost and recover the land, but to subscribe properly to this notion of grouping plants according to where they come from. would it be fair to say the storm was a blessing in disguise?m allowed us to create something profound and our woodlands are our big contribution

the day before, michael fish had played down the dangers. hurricane on the way. well, if you're watching, don't worry, there isn't. but the storm brought 100 mile an hour winds, 18 people were killed and as many as 15 million trees were brought down. a police car had a very close escape. roads were blocked. a ferry was driven onto a beach and something new about weather was discovered, a dangerous kind of gust, called a sting jet. the met office has analysed what happened, simulating how the weather system intensified during the night, creating dangerous winds where they were least expected. before we used to think that the strongest winds were tied into weather fronts whereas now this is happening behind the weather fronts and that's why it's called a sting jet. it's like the sting in the tail. you think the storm is over, but then these sting jets come in. since 1987 there's been a revolution in forecasting, with satellites launched to beam images from space and powerful computing. 30 years ago, the met office computer had less power than

michael fish says he was not referring to that storm. enjoy the weekend before the trouble starts.due to get good weather because of it but the weather at which comes up from the azores, we will get quite a warm, pleasa nt azores, we will get quite a warm, pleasant day and i say we, we in london but our fellow countrymen in the south—western wales and north—west of england, it will be a bit more stormy and wet. we have to hope that unlike 30 years ago, there aren't 150 hope that unlike 30 years ago, there aren't150 miles per hour winds which it and there are alerting caundle and wales and northern ireland and scotland, the west coast and northern england or monday and tuesday and let's remember, people we re tuesday and let's remember, people were killed, 18 people were killed, 15 million trees destroyed. hopefully batten down the hatches, get your provisions in and don't go out if you don't need to. you have been warned. the telegraph now. and it's the round pound swap or flop. that was a tongue twister if you still have four of them, this has not worked out. the switchover has cl

iam i am michael fish and i was a bbc weatherman for over 40 years. well celsius. i've got nothing but bad news. we have trouble with the winds today. and then there was this. earlier a woman called the bbc and said there was a hurricane on the way and if you are watching, don't worry, there isn't. the worst storms the hundreds of years hit the south of england early this morning, killing a dozen people and bringing the whole south—east to a halt. there was no warning, the weathermen we re there was no warning, the weathermen were caught with the forecast down. so was it really a hurricane? i am meeting someone who should know the answer, the bbc weatherman. a mere eight years old in 1987, he is now a hurricane expert and i'm hoping tom can help me out. you are absolutely right, it is not a hurricane. hurricanes are different weather systems, they do not occur in the uk, they have to happen over tropical waters but the one in 1987 still produced hurricane strength winds so you don't have to have a hurricane to make hurricane force winds, it can still

and at 330 michael fish presents a special programme in which he retraces the route of the great storm

now on bbc news, "michael fish: the great storm and me."

we were talking to michael fish early on, who famously failed to predict that.cane. it wasn't. we technically do i have hurricanes in this country, is that right? yes, because the water is not warm enough. anything that was a hurricane, as it approaches the uk, losers that warm core with the tropical air. so this isa core with the tropical air. so this is a hurricane but the time it reaches the uk will not be. in 1987, it was not a hurricane again but had hurricane strength winds. this one is not expected to have hurricane strength winds, but we are going to find on monday that the winds really start to pick up. initially close to southern ireland, south west approach, south—west england and wales, then there's strong winds. where the irish sea, such that we could see a two mile an hour gusts widely across northern ireland later on in the day. that area of low pressure is, as it is by then, going to continue moving. and continue weakening. so pressure rises, things become quieter. if you are across the eastern side of england you will probably wonder what all th

and at ii.30pm michael fish presents a special programme in which he retraces the route of the greatrm of 1987 from dorset to sussex. good afternoon and welcome to bbc news. more on those stories in a moment — but we start with some breaking news in — and we're getting reports of an incident in nuneaton. warwickshire police have confirmed they're dealing with an ongoing incident at bermuda park. this is the location. bermuda park indeed a bowling alley. warwickshire police have given the unique official word, they have said on twitter that officers are currently dealing with an ongoing incident. they are urging people to avoid the area. there have been unofficial reports of a gunmen, some people there, eyewitnesses again, on twitter and social media, some saying that hostages might have been taken at the bowling alley. workers ina taken at the bowling alley. workers in a restaurant in the complex have spoken to the bbc, as they have been told by the police, not to let anyone in or out of their restau ra nt. anyone in or out of their restaurant. reports to and from eyewitnesses, polic

it comes exactly 30 years to the day after the famous occasion when weatherman michael fish reassureon its way. a few hours later, southern england was hit by destructive winds of over 100 mph. the great storm of 1987 claimed many lives and caused some £2 billion worth of damage. peter gibbs reports on how it affected with london west sussex. as dawn broke on the 16th of october, 1987, some 15 million trees lay flattened in southern england. at the national trust's wakehurst estate in west sussex, some 20,000 trees were lost. many of the trees lost were rare species. walking through the woods today, you would be hard pushed to spot any trace of that catastrophe. but that is thanks to some clever forward thinking of the people in charge of the clear up at the time. we are in coates' woods, our southern hemisphere woodlands. it was known as coates' tree, the day after the storm. that is all that was left? yes. ed ikin is the head of horticulture at wakehurst and he told me about the plans that were put in place in the aftermath of the storm. out of the carnage of that night came some i

it comes exactly 30 years to the day after the famous occasion when weatherman michael fish reassuredthern england was hit by destructive winds of over 100mph. the great storm of 1987 claimed 18 lives and caused some £2 billion worth of damage. peter gibbs reports on how the storm affected historic woodland in west sussex. as dawn broke, some 15 million trees lay flattened in southern england. at the national trust wakehurst estate in west sussex, 20,000 trees were lost. walking through the woods today, you would be hard pushed to spot trace of that catastrophe. but that is thanks to forward thinking by the people in charge of the clear up at the time. we are in coate's woods, our southern hemisphere woodlands. it was known as coate's tree, the day after the storm. that is all that was left? yes. ed is the head of horticulture and he told me of the plans put in force after the storm. out of the carnage of that night came some incredibly clear, far—sighted thinking, not to just replace everything that was lost and recover the land, but to subscribe properly to this notion of grouping p

it comes exactly 30 years to the day from the famous occasion when weatherman michael fish reassure thehours later, southern england was hit by destructive winds of over 100 mph. the great storm of 1987 claimed 18 lives and caused £2 billion worth of damage. peter gibbs reports on how the storm affected historic woodland in west sussex. as dawn broke on the 16th of october 1987, some 15 million trees lay flat and across more than a dozen counties of seven grid southern england. at the national trust's way cirstea stayed in sussex, many of the trees lost we re rare in sussex, many of the trees lost were rare species. walking through these woods today, you would be hard pushed to spot any trace of that catastrophe but that is thanks to some clever forward thinking by the people in charge of the clear about the time. we are in coats woods, our southern hemisphere woodland. it was known as coats tree the day after the great storm, that was all that was left standing. this man is the head of hole to culture at wakehurst and told me about plans that were put in force in the aftermath of the s

talking about those winds, we have michael fish later in the programme. who?m later on. we will bring you a summery of the news at 630. time now for the film review. hello, and welcome to the film review on bbc news. to take us through this week's cinema releases, as ever, is mark kermode. good to see you, what have you been watching? a mixed bag — we have been watching the snowman, a thriller starring michael fassbender. we have the ritual — camping holiday goes to hell. and loving vincent — an oil painted animation. masses to talk about with that one. the snowman, to start with. i feel like i'm the only person in the newsroom who hasn't read the novel. i hadn't read it either, although i hear it's a real page turner. this is an adaptation byjo nesbo of the thriller, directed by tomas alfredson, who made let the right one in, which i really love, and tinker tailor soldier spy. which i loved, yes. it stars michael fassbender as an alcoholic detective on the trail of a serial killer whose trademark is that he leaves behind "snowmen". sometimes he creates them b

. >> 56-year-old michael diaz was fishing when heavy winds capsized his kayak. >> he was swept eightthe middle of the long island sound, treading water all night until he reached a lighthouse off the coast of connecticut. he was rescued after another boarder called the coast guard. >> he saved my life. there's no question about it. i'm so glad. the idea of being able to tread water for 17 hours, i don't want to think about it. >> his advice don't panic. the odds of you -- the odds are you are going to be found. >> all right. and you've seen road signs for deer crossings but how about this road sign. that's a giraffe crossing at a game reserve in kenya. took the herd about the giraffes crossed the road in case you were going to ask. >> so we're going to just stick our neck out and say it's unusual to see a herd this big. >> okay. >>> the sheriff's deputy in california used the full force of the law to propose. >> so deputy kevin bowes arranged for her to be pulled over for a dui convincing his colleagues to stage a sobriety test. >> yeah, but there he was behind her, surprise. he had

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fish in the pond. up until now you had people like michael flynn, national security advisor, people like paul manafort,trump, jr., jared kushner. nobody could tell me who was the big fish in that pond, but now you know who the little fish is, who is up flipping and trying to do that with other people and that's papadopoulos. >> thank you all. and what's going through robert mueller's mind as the special counsel moves to the prosecution stage? we'll ask lisa monica, joining us in a moment. stay with us. you wouldn't do only half of your daily routine, so why treat your mouth any differently? complete the job with listerine® help prevent plaque, early gum disease, bad breath and kill up to 99.9% of germs. listerine® bring out the bold™ parts a and b and want more coverage, guess what? you could apply for a medicare supplement insurance plan whenever you want. no enrollment window. no waiting to apply. that means now may be a great time to shop for an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. medicare doesn't cover everything. and like all standardized medicar

to piss on someone's parade is a common idiom but michael douglas takes it a bit too literally. now i guess i'm going to piss on the fish in the post out there this dinner party is a battlefield in an ugly marital war a battle of the sexes played out in the kitchen. i would never humiliate you like this you're not equipped to honey. a family if seems to be developing i don't know if we should leave but i'd definitely advise skipping the fish course. oh yeah right. oh in a restaurant most people want to enjoy a nice quiet meal with private conversation so how awkward is it when the lady next to you decides to shut the guy up after he claims no woman could take an orgasm with him yes. oh yeah yeah yeah. yes yes yes yes yes yes. oh oh oh. oh . i'll have what she's having. but she's having the real joke is the director rob reiner cast his own mother to say that line and it still holds up but now we're ready for dessert we've got a lovely little a here but have you ever tried monkey brains on ice cream. i don't really like for. our next bill is about food as a dare this scene from steven spielberg was banned in india and you

of michael diaz woke up saturday and decided to go fishing in his kayak, he was just off the shore whenhe wind and waves kick you wanted. he tried getting to land but the waves kept pushing him back. he spent the night in the water and ended up eight miles before he started. he spotted a light house in nor walk >> took about 60, 90 minutes but i eventually got there at 11:30 in the morning i put my hand on the rung of that ladder in the light house, i knew at that point i was ok. >> a passing boater spotted diaz that morning and called the coast guard that eventually pulled him from the water. he spent several days in the hospital being treated for hypo thermia and exhaustion >> a lot of gray days lately >> gray, cloudy, the sun will come out tomorrow. sing it. >> where did i hear that before? >> it's going to get cooler too. >> don't wait for me >> the action cam was outside earlier, we are looking at the parkway, the ben franklin parkway close to broad street. fair amount of cloud cover overhead and because of the clouds, we didn't see a lot of sunshine today and these temperature $ n

deal on friday about the issue of, whether or not he is going to be the big fish, we had a national security adviser, we had michaelmanafort the campaign chair. other people, the son-in-law. the issue was who was going to be the biggest, but the reality shows us it was the smallest of those fish, papadopoulos, where we know there was a bridge being built and constructed from the fbi intelligence counter probe from last year till now. and that's why papadopoulos is so important and how you know context is going to be everything from mueller's team. >>> a lot more ahead including the reaction from the today -- paul ryan. ♪ at lincoln financial, we get there are some responsibilities of love you gotta do on your own. and some you shouldn't have to shoulder alone. like ensuring your family is protected, today and tomorrow, no matter what the future brings. see how life insurance from lincoln can help start protecting your family's financial future now, at lincolnfinancial.com. >>> it is a turning point in the russian investigation, the first indictments, a guilty plea of the trump indictment admits he lied about his co

michael diaz woke up saturday and decided to go fishing in his kayak.ind and waves really picked up and he tried to get on dry land but the waves kept pushing him out. he spend the night in the water and carried eight miles away, and imagine think relief when he discovered a lighthouse in norwalk. >> it took 60 to 90 minutes and i eventually got there and 11:30 on the morning i put my hand on the ladder of the lighthouse and i nii was okay. >> a massing boater spotted him later and called the coast guard and he is now being treated for hyperthermia and exhaustion. >> quite a story. up next a heart warming one that proves wishes really do come true. this little girl wants one thing in life and cameras were rolling when she found out that her foster family was her permanent family. wow. make no bones about it. >> david brings the a game when we get him to taste scombhily's fine after 8 years of chris christie, is kim guadagno the change new jersey really needs? guadagno is christie's hand-picked successor. says she's "proud to be part of the christie admi

earlier in the segment, there is a chance that there is a smaller fish to start, someone like an accountant, someone like the son of michael flynn, his chief of staff at intel group, michael flynn jr., who could be a target in this. and as we know, bob mueller will want to work his way up, but he'll also want to use these coercive pressure tactics to try to either flip that target, or if it is a more ancillary figure, to have that target flip the person he is close with. so if it's michael flynn's son, that would lead him to michael flynn, for example. >> malcolm? >> yeah, i agree with that assessment to a certain extent. however, you know, it could be any number of lesser people as well. i mean, it could be any person who lied to the fbi in this investigation and is still remaining intransigent, and mueller may have just reached his limit with someone obfuscating. michael flynn jr. is a good person, but what if it's the person that was already told, which is paul manafort who was told he was likely going to be indicted, then had an fbi early raid on his house? all the indicators are pointing to him. look, someone's gettin

fish. we had a national security adviser. we had michael flynn. we had manafort the campaign chair.e had other people, the son-in-law, the son of the president as well. but the other than was who was going to be the biggest of those fish. but the reality of today show us it was the smallest of those fish, papadopoulos where we were that there was a bridge that was being built and constructed from the fbi counterintelligence probe to now to fill in the gaps that you didn't have. and that's why papadopoulos is so important and how you know that context is going to be everything for mueller's team. >> we've got a lot more ahead including the stuping none reaction today, house speaker paul ryan. hey hun, huh! we gotta go. come on. ♪ ♪ "grandma! grandpa!" ♪ lilly, look how tall you are. how are you? i love you. look! you brought it. lilly. no! me me turn, me me turn... thanks mom. here we are. look, right up to here. principal. we can help you plan for that. the energy conscious whopeople among usle? say small actions can add up to something... humongous. a little thing here. a little th

. >> michael, do you back up what jeff is saying that you go after the smaller fish first in the hopeill essentially flip or succumb to pressure? >> well, typically that's the case. it's not necessary this is a typical case. if you look back at whitewater, they indicted several people for bank fraud. none of them were really small fish or had anything to say about the president's corruption. there are transactions that were alleged, indicted and proved so these guys went to jail. so it could well be that manafort and flynn who has dealings on the outside of the collusion gets dieted for that activity. it's been five months. wiseman, if it's his case is a fast moving prosecutor. and it could be, like jeffrey says, if it is one of those guys and they're found or plead guilty then they have more to sell than collusion inquiry. this may be the arise out part which leads back into the collusion if there is a story to tell there. >> carl. >> jeffrey toobin's got it exactly right. i've talked to some of the lawyers who saw this coming, they believe the intent is to get one or many of those p

michael flynn. but it was really unlikely everyone thought that mule worry be going for such big fish so early on in the investigation. i mean, he has only been leading it for about five months. but on the other hand, everyone was like, well, manafort is the obvious choice because he is so vulnerable. everything that is already been reported about his past financial ties, about his fara violations, about his alleged money laundering there was a "wall street journal" report last week that he is the target of yet another moneylaundering investigation in new york. this was all building for so long that there was really no way it couldn't be manafort. >> and nick akerman who he just had here made a really good point to me. he said it's a very ingenious charging documents because the charges all revolve around documentation, like failures to file things which are tough to defend against. it's not about witness credibility. they can make a lot of the cases just on paper alone. and it puts manafort in a tough spot in his calculation, i would imagine about whether he is going to talk or not. >> exactly. the

fish. >>> retired army medic, highest military honor to former soldier from alabama. >> how he risked his life to hem others in combat. >>> i'm michaely is ahead. >>> spencer christian, what a day for late october. going to get hotter tomorrow. >>> a retired army captain received america's highest military honor today for saving wounded soldiers despite being wounded himself. only medic assigned to special forces unit in vietnam war. faced heavy fire hunting north vietnamese fighters in secret mission in laos in 1971. >> shrapnel left a gaping hole in mike's foot. for next 48 excruciating hours he used a branch as crutch and went on rescuing the wounded. >> said the medal belongs not to him but entire unit. >>> army sergeant bill bergdahl receive a fair trial after comments by president trump? defense lawyers claim comments by mr. trump constitute undo command influence citing multiple incidents where he called him a traitor who should be shot. walked off post in 2009 and spent five years in taliban captivity before released in prisoner exchange. pleaded guilty to desertion and faces life in prison. >>> in life you have to adapt to y

. >> michael, do you back up what jeff is saying, that you go after the smaller fish first in the hopesum come to pressure? >> well, typically that's the case, but it's not necessarily that this is a typical case. if you look back at whitewater, for example, they indicted sefl people for bank fraud. none of them were really small fish. none of them had anything to say about the president's corruption. but there were significant financial transactions that were alleged and were indicted and were proved and these guys went to jail. so it could well be that manafort or a flynn or somebody who has dealings on the outside of the collusion gets indicted for that activity. it's been five months. wise man if it's his case is a fast moving prosecutor and it well then could be that if it is one of those guys and they are found guilty or they plead guilty, that then they have something more to sell with respect to the collusion inquiry. because you have to remember it's collusion and then other things that may arise out of the investigation. this may be the arise out part, which leads back into th

fish having turned secret because it helps them to be able to gather more information some muller's team has interviewed current and former administration officials including former national security advisor michael flynn who was fired for lying about his meetings with russian officials during the presidential transition former trump campaign manager paul manna ford is under intense scrutiny by miller we know that the russian government through intermediaries was reaching out to the trump campaign reaching out to all metaphors another's and offering information hillary clinton they fought would help the trump campaign moller has widened the investigation to include possible obstruction of justice as well as the trump family's business and financial dealings and has taken a keen interest in the june two thousand and sixteen meeting at trump tower. attended by donald trump jr trump son in law jared cushion or and a russian lawyer with ties to the kremlin at that meeting trump jr expected to receive damaging information about hillary clinton from russian contacts. now the question we continue to test again is. was the campaign coordinating in the russian help still remains to be seen there certainly

michael flins to donald trump jr. to programs roger stone and the list goes on and on, we're not really talking about any small fish in this category. we're talking about all people who had a very prominent role in their positions and are very, very close to the inner circle that led to the oval office. is so you do this theory that in cases where there's multiple people that maybe you are trying to lure a bigger fish with a smaller fish but here i'm not sure who the smallest in this bunch would be. >> mr. i say acough, now you. what does this say about the speed of mueller's investigation? >> well, look, you know, i actually would have thought he would have been moving even more swiftly than this when you go back to the search of paul manafort's residence back in july. i would have expected an indictment very quickly after that. manafort himself has said he's been told he's been indicted. the presumption is he's gotten a target letter. whether this is manafort or not we're just going to have to wait until monday. but i'll tell you what's going to be really interesting. obviously the first thing we all want to know is