avery fisher hall shaking hands with alan kuming and kissing joan rivers saying, thank you, for this thing that -- how did this happen? >> thank you all very, very, very much. [ applause ] >> michaeleeks later and he was asking me, all right, well for this perfume, you know, who made it? i said, well, you know, i got this material from them and that material from over there and this one came from them and that and that. he said, yes, but who put it together. i said i did. you're the perfumer? oh, no. i never call myself a perfumer. he said why? i told him exactly what i told you, that it seemed disrespectful. and he said no, christopher, you need to understand that you are a natural born nose. you are someone who once in a generation, someone comes along who can simply do this. you have no training and yet you can make perfume. i sat there, somewhat embarrassed to say with my jaw hanging open going, okay. but it did make me think. and little by little, i was like no, this is -- this is a major aspect of who i am. i am a perfumer. so, eventually i started putting it on my business cards and when people asked, what is it you do, instead of like oh, i run this business or i, you know