michael flynn has not been sentenced yet. papadopoulos, the special counsel, didn't provide substantial evidence and the government -- the mueller investigation has not challenged what the sentencing guidelines for him would be, zero to six months, he sent out a weird tweet saying decision time. could the president do a few things by suggesting a pardon for manafort and would he do it now? >> i absolutely think that manafort is playing the pardon long game here and we will know that almost for sure by september 17th when this trial in washington, d.c. is set to begin, because the time to cooperate, the last best chance is right now and interestingly, manafort's lawyer when he got out of court yesterday did not say as many defense lawyers do, we will appeal this, we have -- >> considering all his options. >> we are evaluating our options which indicates they're thinking about a lot of things. i thought for a long time that manafort is playing the pardon game in part because there's no other sensible rational to choosing to hav

so it's not surprising that michael flynn is being talked tried for something that has nothing to do russian collusion, and that's where they think the pressure point is for him. >> harris: so we have michael cohen on one hand, you bring up michael flynn -- >> judy: michael cohen is clearly somebody whom the mueller commission thinks they need to do a report and prosecutors want to squeeze so they can get information on the president. whether or not that works, is unclear. >> harris: and i know that's the reporter on in you that flows to michael flynn. >> it seems there is so much breaking news, what really is breaking news anymore? >> harris: well if you are one of the michael's, this is breaking. >> there is evidence of collision between the trump campaign and the russians which is how all of this started, and as we continue to see this investigation go on, and now we have the breaking news coming out of the b-17 trial, that they can't come to an agreement on at least one of the accounts, it puts a lot of doubt. but let me say this. if he doesn't get prosecuted, pelosi and schumer

comey never discussed michael flynn?> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> and you're also saying that a month ago, you didn't tell abc news he said something along the lines of can you give him a break? >> i did not. i said that is what comey says. >> oh goodness gracious. that is president trump's lawyer, rudy giuliani, claiming the president never spoke to former fbi director comey about michael flynn. but just last month, this is how the president's very same attorney described the conversation between trump and comey. >> reality is, comey in some ways ends up being a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> what he said was -- >> huh? i want to bring in seth waxman, an enforcement attorney and former federal prosecutor. i don't even understand that. giuliani dire

donald trump is no michael flynn.ald trump has never put his children first or anyone else first. there is no chance of donald trump volunteering to take the hit in a criminal investigation in order to save his son or his daughter or his son-in-law or anyone else. chris collins finds himself in a very different situation than michael flynn did. congressman collins' son is already now charged with crimes and so it is a lot less clear that congressman collins can get his son off the hook by taking the hit and pleading guilty the way michael flynn did. congressman collins is the big fish in this investigation. his son, cameron collins, is the little fish. so what congressman collins has to wonder is how long will it take for his son to turn against him? how long will it take for congressman collins' son to plead guilty in exchange for no prison time and testify against his father? and that is the drama that president trump will watch most closely, how long does it take for the son to turn against the father? joining our

that's crazy. >> you are saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he is asked that question. >> this is what giuliani said last month. >> how is he a good witness for the president if the president was asking or directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go. >> -- by that time he has been fired. >> meanwhile trump's legal team is expecting a response for a sit down with mueller. they are expecting the response sometime this week. most recently giuliani said the president would answer questions about collusion but not about obstruction after the election. comey's firing would be off limits and now the trump legal team is setting time limits. mr. giuliani said the president is open to talking to mr. mueller under limited conditions but in a new development said mr. trump would not sit for an interview after september 1 because it would interfere with the midterm elections. here with us a former assistant u.s. attorney with the eastern and southern district of new york and sam stein is back w

element of their defense was that president trump did not know that his national security adviser michael flynn was being investigated by the fbi when the president talked to fbi director james comey about "letting flynn go." james comey quotes the president as having told him, "i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let it go." the trump defense team has said that it is impossible for that conversation to constitute obstruction of justice because the president did not know that the fbi was then investigating michael flynn. but murray waas's reporting that the white house memo that he read is a timeline prepared by white house counsel don mcgahn showing every step that occurred in the white house and exactly who knew what and when in what became the story of the firing of national security adviser michael flynn. murray waas reports the february 15th memo combined with accounts given to the special counsel by priebus and mcgahn constitute the most compelling evidence we yet know of that donald trump may have obstructed justice.

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> and you're also saying that a month ago you didn't tell abc news that he said something along the lines of can you give him a break? >> no, i did not. i said that is what comey says. the reality is comey in some ways ends up being a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was can you give him a break? >> so john heilemann, what are we to make of that? is rudy giuliani making it up as he goes along? is he purposefully lying? does he have early on set of dementia? how does he go from yesterday saying he never asked that question to us of course having a tape where clearly a couple weeks ago he said that's precisely what the

trump then national security advisor michael flynn. cnn's boris sanchez has more now on giuliani's reversal. >> reporter: rudy giuliani is trying to make the case this is not a contradiction but rather a misunderstanding. back in july when he spoke to abc news he said that the president asked james comey to cut a break for michael flynn, to take it easy on him. something he says he was asked to do many times as a prosecutor. he also suggests that james comey should not have taken that as a direction from president trump. that's why he makes the argument that the president did not attempt to obstruct justice. i want you to listen now to exactly what rudy giuliani said during that abc news interview just a few weeks ago. here it is. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying the president was asking him or directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. >> rudy giuliani here saying this is simply a miscommunication. he apologized for the confusion that was create

will deny he directed james comey to end the investigation of former national security adviser michael flynn. >> the president said he never told comey he should go easy on flynn. comey says he did. if he goes in and testifies under oath, instead of this being a dispute, they can say it is perjury. if they elect to believe comey instead of trump. >> contrast that to what he told abc in july. >> how is he a good witness for the president if the president was asking him or directing him to let the michael flynn go. >> he didn't say that. he said can you give him a break. >> can you give him a break? which is it? the president never asked comey to give him a break or he did? last june, the former fbi director told the president -- told him during that meeting, i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go. to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. >>> serious concerns in the white house now we know former aide omarosa manigault newman was able to sneak a recording device into the situation room. omarosa appeared on "meet the press." she claims the recording you a

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. >> joining our discussion now, senior editor for the atlantic and a former federal prosecutor and former assistant u.s. district attorney. let's start first with what rudy giuliani said. there was no discussion of michael flynn. that may be the only workable defense strategy, rather than get into, i didn't say that. just, oh, no, we never discussed it. >> it is probably the best strategy for him, but it is too little too late. even giuliani has gone on tv. trump has acknowledged there was conversations but tried to explain them away. this is what happens with everything that comes out with them. you have this evolution where it starts with no, it didn't happen and once there are ir reputable facts, they come out and say, okay, but it wasn't illegal. here we've done the reverse. i think they didn't quite realize how bad it was going to be. so they said, yeah, he had a conversation. they said, it's okay for him to say that

now he never said anything to him at all about michael flynn. what's happening here and how to reconcile it. >> 180. only person to answer this is the president and understand why mueller would want to talk to him and keep in mind that's one of the key issues within the obstruction investigation. did the president try and influence the flynn investigation essentially firing the former fbi director because of the flynn investigation? this whole idea he told the fbi director, can you see your way out of it and let it go? certainly the only person that can really answer that is the president. lawyers spin and say whatever they want. ultimately, you know, as we said, there's a concern from the giuliani team, from the lawyers on the president's side that there's perjury trap and saying this is why he's -- >> the point is, perjury trap. way to avoid the trap is to tell the truth. >> that's what we keep saying. will the president ever sit down with the mueller team? >> thanks very much. >>> joining me is democratic congressman david cicilline of rhode

that the president never asked former fbi director james comey to drop the fbi investigation into michael flynne never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. comey says the president did. he put it in his memo. if he testifies to that under oath instead of this being a dispute they can say it is perjury if they elect to believe comey instead of trump. >> so why would robert mueller think the president asked comey to go easy on flynn? not only did comey testify to this under oath, but just last month giuliani himself said that is exactly what the president did. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he is saying that the president was directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. >> comey says he took it as direction. >> taking it that way. by that time he had been fired and said a lot of other things some of which turned out to be true. the reality is as a prosecutor i was told

trump did or did not tell then-fbi director james comey about fired national security adviser michael flynnmey says that the president asked him about dropping the investigation into flynn. take a look at what giuliani told our jake tapper a day ago compared to what he told george stephanopoulos over a month ago. >> the president says he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. comey says the president did. he put it in his memo. if he goes in and testifies to that under oath, instead of just being a dispute, they can say it's perjury. if they elect to believe comey instead of trump. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was -- >> comey says can you -- >> joining us now to talk about that and much more, democratic congressman eric swalwell of california, also a member of the house select committee on intelligence as well as the judiciary committee. you're a lawyer. can you figure out what giuliani is try

michael flynn. he served briefly as national security adviser before he was forced out, fired for lying about his contacts with the russian ambassador before the inauguration. at the time, president trump supposedly asked then fbi chief james comey to go easy on flynn. that's what tomorrowy testicome and what he wrote in a membo to his colleagues. he said this in front of congress, so under oath. a month ago rudy giuliani shrugged it off. this weekend he said comey never discussed it. this is a complete reversal. >> it goes from the idea that there was conversations about michael flynn between the president and the former fbi director but didn't get into specifics about letting him go. this then yesterday wihat giuliani said was there was no conversation with the former fbi director and the president. of course, the importance in all of this is that this is all going to the heart of the obstruction investigation. here is what giuliani said on july 8 to abc's george stephanopoulos. >> what he said to

let's watch. >> what happened in that conversation with comey about michael flynn?t exactly did president trump say? >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn. >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> and you're also saying that a month ago you didn't tell abc news that he said something along the lines of can you give him a are break? >> no, i did not. i said that is what comey says. >> that's not what he said. trump's side of the story continues to evolve. that's nice. nicely put. james comey has stuck to his recollection, which he documented in contemporaneous notes of that exchange. according to the former fbi director the president told him "i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go." well, this comes after giuliani told mueller last week he won't allow the presidential to be questioned about obstruction of ju

though seen legal troubles for the trump team for the president before him talking about general michael flynn impregnated of course in a potential wrongdoing allegations at least is the cohen case different yes it is in some ways i mean when you talk about michael flynn when you talk about paul metaphor these are really associations and there's a. a lot of correlations there but there's no causalities with michael cohen you have a direct causal relationship you know we have these tapes that cohen himself or at least where he's discussing payments to care mcdougall so we have much stronger evidence that there's a smoking gun here ok to get our viewers the background now on that second case that could put pressure on the u.s. president another former trump associate his former campaign manager paul metaphor has been found guilty by a jury on eight charges the judge in that case declared a mistrial on ten other counts amount of four was convicted of filing false tax returns connection with millions of dollars on lobbying for ukraine failing to disclose all sure bank accounts and two counts of ba

questioning with mueller that president trump will say he never discussed easing up on a probe of michael flynnh james comey. here is giuliani from this weekend with jake tapper. >> the president says he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. comey says the president did. he put it in his memo. there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out until comey believed there was until february when it took place. >> you are saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he was asked that question. >> now, hang on a second because just a few weeks ago giuliani said that the president and comey did discuss flynn. >> he's saying that the president was asking, directing him n his words, to get the michael flynn investigation go. >> he didn't ask him to did that. >> comey says he took it that way. >> that's okay. at that time he he was fired and turned out a lot of things that he said were untrue. as a prosecutor i was told that many times, can you give the man a break. >> just a reminder here in the f

>> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> but, mr., you told abc news last month that the president told comey, quote, ou "canive him a break?" now you're saying they never had -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. i've never said that. >> so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn?he >> that is whaill testify to if he's asked that question. >> and you're also saying that a montago you didn't tell abc news that he said something along the lines of -- >> of course not. ak>> "can you give him a b >> no, i did not. >> seth: there you go. rudy insistse never told abc that trump said, "give him a break." well, rudy better get the sharpie ready because this one is about to blow up in his face. [ laughter ] >> i just want to play the sound so people understand why i asked the question. >> sure. okay. >> how is he a good witness for the prident if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. n at

and what is clear from the need to adjourn it is that they still need michael flynn. prosecutors need cooperating witnesses. as we saw here with rick gates. all the way through any trial against anyone else. they would have to testify. so the fact they're delaying flynn means there's more coming down the pipeline from the special counsel. >> what an absolutely significant day here. three of the president's closest inner circle confidants in the white house, before the white house, a lot of developments today. ken dilaniandilanian, thank you joining us. >>> hacking democracy. russia's latest attempt to attack our political system. trump's only response, more talk about who can see the intel. needles. essential for the cactus, but maybe not for people with rheumatoid arthritis. because there are options. like an "unjection™". xeljanz xr. a once-daily pill for adults with moderate to severe ra for whom methotrexate did not work well enough. xeljanz xr can reduce pain, swelling and further joint damage, even without methotrexate. xeljanz xr can lower your ability to fight

which means michael flynn is continuing to cooperate with bob mueller as well what we. no has happened up to this point is the president and states has engaged in behavior that meets the threshold of impeachment that was used for bill clinton had a likelihood of a republican congress actually abiding by that threshold is slim but we could see the house flip in november and all bets are off. david your republican. colleagues former colleagues more and more of them standing up to trump. so they are clinging to power and they have a decision right now to make whether or not to continue to insulate donald trump or not you know there are a lot of questions even today whether or not impeachment charges a bill against bill clinton went too far or not there are arguments on both sides but what you did see is the democrats on the hill surround bill clinton and stand by him even suggest that trying to impeach bill clinton was undermining the election that the american people voiced their choice for for bill clinton republicans up to now have suggested they're standing with donald

testify if asked the conversation about michael flynn did not take place.o that even though james comey has a prior statement underoath similar to the president's that there was no obstruction, they could charge him with perjury. >> reporter: denying the michael flynn conversation is a new claim. last month rudy giuliani said the conversation did take place. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he -- >> he didn't direct him to do that. he said can you -- >> reporter: the trial of former trump campaign chairman paul manafort heads into week 3. there is speculation the trial could wrap up this week. he is facing a number of charges related to financial trod brought by special counsel robert mueller's team. russia, president trump, the 2016 campaign are not the focus of the trial. some say the trial could impact the perception of the russian probe. >>> still to come, people are in disbelief after flyers appeared around town encouraging people to join the kkk. what we are learning from police. >> and questions how a airline worker was able to steal

comey never discussed michael flynn?hat is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath. >> and you're also saying a month ago you didn't tell abc news he said something along the lines -- >> of course not. >> -- of can you give him a break? >> no, i said that is what comey says. >> the reality is comey in some way ends up a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness if he's saying the president was directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation to go. >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said was, can you give him a break. >> and joining me again, washington correspondent for global national enez de la quetara. thanks for sticking around. what is president trump's end game as you continues that attack against him own attorney general? >> so poor jeff sessions, right? scared stiff and missing in action, some of the harshest words the president has used with regards to jeff sessio

never discussed michael flynn?testify to, if he is asked that question. they already know that. why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> that was over the weekend. hold on a minute. that's not what giuliani said a little over a month ago. >> comey, in some ways, ends up being a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness for the president, if he is saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation to go? >> what he said was, can you give me -- >> i'm joined my former assistant u.s. attorney in washington, d.c., partner. and with me on the panel, ap reporter lisa. and back with me, "daily mail" correspondent franchesca. glen, i'll start with you and the discrepancy. how do you explain it? are we being too nuanced here? >> no, we're not being too nuanced. i'm really surprised at rudy giuliani on this. i think to contradict a st statement you made 30 days ago is startling. apparently, i think, he got in hot water when he

no sentencing for michael flynn, at least not yet.anwhile, other important news happening right now. the u.s. intelligence community warned this would happen again, and now it has. microsoft says russians tried to hack the u.s. senate as well as conservative think tanks here in washington. those attempts thwarted just weeks ahead of the november midte midterm elections. the attempted cyberattack happening as the president of the united states is still casting doubt on russia's meddli meddling in the 2016 presidential election. let's go to our senior national correspondent joining us right now. alex, you've been doing a lot of reporting on this. what can you tell us about this attempted hack? >> wolf, this was not the government that came forward with this information. this was microsoft, who are saying that a number of sites were set up in order for russia to carry out attacks on the u.s. midterm elections. now, they are pointing the finger squarely at fancy bear. you'll remember that name. that is the russian hacking group that's dir

we got michael flynn behind president trump. what a trio. maggie haberman of "the new york times" tweeted trump folks are worried about impeachment more than before. the thinking goes like this. this is something tangible. not hetheoretical. do you think that impeachment is likely at this point? >> i think we have to let it play out to see what prosecutors have directly corroborating what michael cohen said and linking the president in. but there's no question that the president's jeopardy is much higher this morning than it was 24 hours. that you have, after months of the president calling into question the credibility and the effectiveness of special counsel mueller's investigation, they've now added to their dozens of indictments and pleas with eight serious conviction accounts. you have michael cohen who is the president's longtime trusted adviser, whatever he may say about him this morning, directly implicating the president in not just wrongdoing, but crime, which nobody has done previously. and you also have this phenomenon of the pre

giuliani said quote, what he, president trump, said to him, james comey, can you give the guy, michael flynntoday, the story is that the two never even talked about flynn. the cnn white house correspondent boris sanchez is there where the president is spending his summer break, and this is a significant flip-flop. >> hey, ana, and not in the eyes of rudy giuliani who is trying to say that it is a misunderstanding. he is suggesting that he was using a device in legal argue mentation called arguing in the alternative. of course, he did not make that clear during his interview with abc where as you just heard he suggested that the president did not obstruct justice by suggesting to james comey that he cut a break to michael flynn saying that he was asked that many times as a prosecutor and that james comey shouldn't have taken it as a drekty. jake tapper on "state of the union" replayed some of the sound to rudy giuliani and i want y want you to watch the president's attorney's reaction here. >> and you did not -- and can you give him a break and you said that -- >> i said it, but i said it bef

you mean for michael flynn or michael cohen? >> michael cohen. >> for michael cohen. yes. cooperation is an ongoing evaluation. just because we didn't see any evidence of a cooperation agreement it's very common. in my cases you don't want to mention a cooperation agreement in open court unless you absolutely have to. there are two major reasons why, number one, you could compromise an ongoing investigation but number two your clients could be at risk if people out there, bad actors, know that he is cooperating. as they say, unfortunately, snitches get stitches. that's a saying that's thrown around the courthouses for a reason. it's dangerous to be a snitch. it's not uncommon even at sentencing to go to sidebar and say, hey, judge, we have a motion here which is a signal that there's cooperation, then go back in open court and proceed with sentencing. >> danny cevallos, i am sure it is going to be another busy day for you. >> we haven't even talked about manafort yet. >> i will save that for later. >>> still ahead, the white house economic adviser larry kudlow speakin

instead, he says that the president asked james comey to give michael flynn a break. on to say that it was something he was asked to do many times as a prosecutor. he makes the case that it is not obstruction of justice and that james comey should not have taken that as a directive. you don't have to take my word for it. there is video. watch this. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying the president was asking him, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was, can you give -- >> comey says he took it as direction. >> that's okay. by that time, he had been fired. he said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to be untrue. the reality is as a prosecutor, i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers, by his relatives, by friends. you take that into consideration. that doesn't determine not going forward with it. >> reporter: this is not the first time the president and his legal team have sought to clarify and rec

>> there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. memo came out in may. and in between, comey testified under oath, in no way he had been obstructed at any time. then all of a sudden in may he says he felt obstructed. he felt pressured by that comment, you should go easy on flynn. so we maintain the president didn't say that. but if we do that under oath, we end up in a sort of martha stewart situation. >> mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that the president told comey, quote, can you give him a break. now you're saying -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. never said that. i said that is what comey is saying trump said. i have always said the president denies it. it would be easier for me if the president did say that. jay and i could defend that. the statement go easy on him is hardly an obstruction. obstruction involves a threat, obstruction involves a false testimony, obstruction involves an of

as you said yesterday, giuliani simply says that there were no conversations about michael flynn.e said on july 8th to abc's george st stephanopoul stephanopoulos. >> what i said too him was -- >> he said he took it as direction. >> that's okay. taking it that way. by that time he had been fired and said a lot of other things, some of which have turned out to be untrue. the reality is, as a prosecutor, i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers or relatives or by friends. you take that into consideration. >> so poppy, yesterday rudy giuliani as you said taken a different position saying there was no conversation at all regarding michael flynn and here's what he told jake tapper. >> the president didn't say to him go easy on flynn or anything about flynn. he's saying that. i'm talking about their alternative. i'm saying the conversation never took place. but if it did take place and here's the conversation that's alleged, it is not illegal to have said that. >> really whether it's illegal or not, that is something that is at the central issue an

he claims that president trump never asked ever fbi director james comey to go easy on michael flynn.ormer national security adviser who has already pled guilty. but that's not what giuliani said last month. >> the conversation about michael flynn, the president didn't find out that comey believed there was about -- i think it was february when it supposedly took place. >> you told abc news that the president told comey quote can you give him a break. now you're saying they never -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. the reality is comey is a good witness for us. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying that the president was directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was can you give him a break? >> joining me is a former federal prosecutor and glenn, let me get you to react to this. there's a lot of contradiction when you listen to rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer. who do you make of this one? this is something that comey talked about when he testified before congress, so

giuliani now says the whole encounter never took place. >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. the memo came out in may. >> but mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that the president told comey, "can you give him a break?" now you're saying they never had -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. i never said that. what i said was that is what comey is saying trump said. >> i never said that, that's crazy. okay. let's check the tape. >> he's saying the president was asking him, directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go. >> and he didn't direct him to do that. what he said was can you -- >> comey says he took it as direction. >> it's okay. by that time he had been fired. as a prosecutor i was told that many times. can you give the man a break? either by his lawyers, by his relatives, by friends. you take that into consideration. but that doesn't determine not going forward with it. >> giuliani's explanation that he was de

comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question. they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> it's a direct contradiction of giuliani's earlier account of the very same meeting. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he's saying that the president was asking, directing him, in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was, can you -- >> comey said he took it as direction. >> there are more than a few problems with the new-new trump didn't obstruct justice defense including this important one. jim comey shared contemporaneous memos with colleagues about the details of the meeting and te >> this is the president speaking. i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. now, those are his exact words. is that correct? >> correct. >> and you them here and you put th

first why trump fired fbi director jim comey and what he said about michael flynn. according to legal experts it's unlikely the mueller team will agree to those terms. but rudy giuliani says it doesn't matter because the holt investigation is illegitimate. >> the case will blow up on them. there is a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. in is a lot more to the obstruction of justice and the collusion, to the fake dossier, trying to bring steele back in after he was completely discredited abu omar al-shishani discredit -- and then feed it to mueller. kennedy: giuliani is going to investigate the investigators. is it opening up the president's legal problems? joining me, the legendary alan dershowitz. this is a different tactic the trump legal team is take. do you think it am good one? >> i don't want to see anybody criminally prosecuted. i don't think the mueller people should be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. i don't want to see the law obstruction of justice expanded. i came into this and wrote my book about the impeachment of trump, i bel

. >> is there was no conversation about michael flynn. the president didn't find out that comey believed there was until about i think it was february when it supposedly took place. >> but mr. mayor, you told abc news last month that president told comey, quote, can you give him a break. how your saying -- >> i never told abc that. that's crazy. i never said that. >> crazy. he never said that, he says. but here he is, july 8th on abc saying that. >> how is he a good witness for president if he is saying that the president was asking him, directing him in his words, to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. what he said to him was -- >> comey says -- >> so in case you missed that, because the cross talk, mr. giuliani said, quote, what he said to him was, can you give me a break, which is of course the exact thing he denied saying to jake. not to be deterred, mr. giuliani took another crack at it this morning. >> what he was saying is perfectly justifiable. he didn't say you must, you have to, i'll fire