because he knew that michael flynn knows something. >> right. >> and he needed to protect michaelnn. and then firing james comey at the end of it all, and that's what launched this whole investigation. the thing that we still don't have an answer to, which shows whether there was a reward to the russians is what michael flynn knows about what the president knew in terms of husband conversatio his conversations with the russians about the sanctions. so even if there is no underlying conspiracy, crime, michael flynn knows, if the president after he welcomed this support, used it to great effect in his communications strategy, built his strategy around it, around wikileaks and then sought to reward the russians, michael flynn knows that. >> i want to play it one more time and then get into it with you. what michael flynn is being sentenced for, the reason this federal judge released this audio today is because michael flynn is awaiting sentencing for lying to the fbi about what heidi just described a conversation with the russian ambassador sergey kislyak about sanctions and other to

there's also the audio of michael flynn's discussion with the former russian ambassador sergey kislyak. that would be an interesting thing for us to hear. again, a lot has been made about this and certainly general flynn's and the president's supporters would say that it's no big deal, but i think hearing it might give us a different impression. >> we also heard today that michael flynn, who is awaiting sentencing, has decided to go ahead and fire his lawyers, seek new counsel, maybe already have new counsel. that's pretty unusual at this late moment. >> right. it's a very unusual move but i have to tell you, wolf, i think we kind of expected this to have happened a little earlier. if you remember, a few months ago, he was -- had a routine hearing before judge emmitt sullivan. and it sort of went off the rails in part because of a filing made by the legal team that was representing general flynn. and in that filing, they suggested that he was railroaded, that the fbi tricked him into lying. that the crimes were not as serious as the government had made it seem. and so that really anger

not just national security, and the president, and he said, remember what our feelings are about michael flynne feelings are still the same after the president on repeated occasions said what a nice guy flynn was, what a good man he was. and that sort of dangling the pardon in the voice that was projected in that tape was deadly serious, even a bit desperate, and will be very, very powerful to americans if they ever see and hear john dowd himself as a witness in a house or senate hearing. >> why is it damning and potentially obstructive for a president's lawyer conveying to a witness who's about to turn state's evidence, about to start working with prosecutors? can you spell out why that is potentially obstructive, potentially inappropriate or criminal to have that expression, the president likes you, the president wants you to remember how much he likes you, that's still in effect. what's the implication of is that? >> really important to break it down. the best explanation is in the mueller report because he presents it as one of those potentially obstructive acts that the president of the u

the suggestion being, of course, that maybe he would pardon michael flynn. h in on this. there's a lot of flynn news today, surprisingly. first of all, what do you make of this as somebody who covers the white house day in, day out? i'm kind of surprised that the president's attorney would say something like this on a voice mail message. it doesn't seem the wisest lawyering. >> yeah, floating the possibility of a pardon, i mean, he -- >> he denies that. >> but that's effectively what the effect is there. to do that on a voice mail is stunning. beyond the notion of floating a pardon, also you're hearing the president's attorney here saying if you're going to implicate the president in a crime, which why is a lawyer for the president, would you be -- implicates the president? this takes me back to those days we're talking about the perjury trap the president could face that somehow if you sat down with mueller, the president was going to implicate himself in a crime or lie to investigators about matters they were looking into and, therefore, face criminal charg

attorney on the day that michael flynn with drew from a joint defense agreement with the trump team. >> hey, rob, this is john again. maybe i'm sympathetic and understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. if you have -- it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with and work with the government. if, on the other hand, we have -- there's information that implicates the president, then we've got a national security issue. we need some kind of heads up. just for the same of protecting all our interests if we can. remember what we've always said about the president and his feelings toward flynn and that you still remains but well, in any event, let me know. and i appreciate your listening and taking the time. thanks, pal. >> joining us now, congressman who is going to have to evaluate that as evidence congressman jamie raskin and democrat from maryland on the judiciary committee in the house and the oversight committee. barbara mckad is with us, the former district attorney for the eastern district of michigan and a contributor and john he

the phone call between michael flynn, when he's the incoming national security advisor during the transitionn ambassador sergey kislyak. flynn first got in trouble for lying to fbi agents about this very conversation. he pleaded guilty to lying about it. so everyone has wanted to know what the heck did they talk about? but, and here's where things got really strange today. despite the judge's direct order, we do not have that transcript. the government, the department of justice, is ignoring the judge, declining to release it, saying only the government further represents it is not relying on any of the recordings or any other person for purposes of establishing the defendant's guilt or determining its sentence nor are there any other recordings that are part of the sentencing record. joining me now, natasha bertrand and carol lamb, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of california, also served as a superior court judge in san diego. carol, let me begin with you as someone who once served as a judge. is this as strange as it appears, that the department of justice in this filing i

the justice department has released a voice mail transcript from one of the attorneys to michael flynn, trump's attorney john dowd said, quote. this is to flynn's attorney. he then adds for a heads-up and dowd wanted to remind flynn about this, quote. former special assistant to robert mueller and cnn legal annist michael zelldin joins me. >> what mueller said in his report was he had no way of knowing whether or not the president was the one who asked attorney dowd his private counsel to reach out to flynn and he said issues of attorney general client privilege prevented him from that. i think because mueller has decided he can't breach attorney-client privilege there is nothing that will legally implicate the president. >> it's not physical but hard to find it ethically responsible to have the attorney for the president remind michael flynn's attorney general what high regards he holds, michael flynn, and ask for a heads-up whether he is cooperateding with the investigation? >> that's right. the part that is problematic may not be obstruction of justice, but has an uncomfortable feel

judge's order. >> in another filing on friday, the voice mail message that john dowd left for michael flynn's is about to make a deal. he said if there is information that implicates the president, then it is a national security issue. he later asked for a head's up. danny, what are you making of this? >> dowd is a talented lawyer. that being said, i cannot imagine why anyone with leave a voice mail as an attorney, even attorney to attorney, in such a high profile situation as this any kind of voice mail with any kind of substance other than call me back. here's my cell phone number. this is the kind of thing that john dowd and people will interpret or miss iinterpret an view as a possible veiled threat to not cooperate or whether or not they are cooperating. this is a shame. frankly, that's why voice mail and transcripts can be misinterpreted. probably something he wishes he did not do now is leave voice mails for attorneys who now will turn those over to the government. >> dowd did issue a statement. this is clearly a baseless political document designed to smear and damage the reputation o

a couple of weeks ago, the judge in the michael flynn case ordered the government, ordered prosecutors to release three sets of documents related to flynn's case. the first was the transcript of a voice mail that one of the president's lawyers had left for flynn's lawyer around the time everybody started to realize that flynn was going to plead guilty and become a cooperator. we had seen bits and pieces of the transcript of that voice mail in the mueller report, in the section on potential criminal obstruction of justice by the president. the pieces of that transcript in the mueller report read, and i remember reporting this at the time right after the report came out, that voice mail read like a kind of mafia-esque threat to michael flynn through his attorney saying, hey, we know what you're cooperate. we want to know what you're going to give them on the president. the or else was silent, but it was implied. it literally starts with the president's lawyer saying, let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. have you ever had like a pleasant conversation, a nonthreatening conversa

michael flynn, a reminder, is still awaiting sentencing. today his longtime attorney robert kelner notified the court he was no longer representing michael flynn. prosecutors also released a voicemail left for that same attorney, robert kelner by president trump's one-time personal lawyer john dowd. flynn agreed to cooperate with the special counsel investigation. with the feds. now, we've already been able to read the transcript of what you're about to hear and we've read it on the air, but sometimes hearing the human voice helps. so hear now the actual recording of this voicemail message from trump's lawyer to flynn's lawyer. >> hey, rob, this is john again. maybe i'm -- i'm sympathetic -- i understand your situation, but let me just see if i can't state it in starker terms. if you have -- well, it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal with and work with the government -- i understand that you can't join a joint defense. that's one thing. if, on the other hand, there's information that implicates the president, then we've

at the end he is trying to remind michael flynn's the feelings the president had at the time. he was expressing warm feelings, saying he was a great guy. it was unfortunate to leave the white house. it was john dowd to remind the attorney, hey, the president thinks highly of this guy. the subtext not to. >> is this the kind of so-called underlying evidence sarah that democrats are fighting to obtain? because, actually, hearing something, seeing something is different tan reading about it? >> i think it is, this is this voicemail. it's written in the mueller report. we seen the transcript. but it is a different thing to hear someone you know to have been an attorney for the president making this pitch. i think democrats in particular are banking on the fact that most of the american public have not read the mueller report in detail. they might listen if these people testify and that might change people's minds about impeachment or whether they want to vote for the president in 2020. >> cnn has new information about how the president's former lawyer and fixer michael cohen is do

special counsel, as was alleged in the report, among other things, including his relationship with michael flynn and her role in drafting a misleading statement that went out to the press when it was revealed that donald trump jr. had a meeting at trump tower with russians who wanted to offer dirt on the clinton campaign. all those topics off limits. coming out of this hearing, democrats are making it very clear they're not happy, and they could go to court to fight this out. >> when the white house issued that letter making a claim of immunity, it doesn't exist in the law. it is quite clear that witnesses are required to answer truthfully questions asked unless a privilege is available. there's no such thing as absolute immunity that prevents someone from answering questions about any subject related to their work in the administration. >> is it acceptable for the white house to be saying she has complete immunity? >> i think the courts will decide that. >> now, republicans have a different view. one republican, congressman radcliffe, came out of this room, and i asked him about this testimony

conversation turned to the topic of leaks of classified information, but the president returned to michael flynn saying he is a good guy and he's been through a lot. the president stated i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, letting flynn go. he's a good guy, i hope you can let this guy. now, what do you think was taking place in that conversation? >> well, the only parallel i can draw in my mind to past presidents is what happened on june 23rd of 1972 when hr halderman came into the president to talk about the fact that people from his re-election committee were involved, and the president heard the chief of staff out and instructed him, and he ended the conversation to have the cia to tell the fbi to stop its investigation. >> ms. mcquade, was your reaction to this exchange -- >> similar to what mr. dean just said and i think it goes to something mr. malcolm has said as well which is that, you know, we can never allow prosecutors to second guess the decisions of presidents, but i think that writes out of the constitution, the word faithfully, to faithfully execute the laws. jus

and michael flynn, a sentencing date.al representation this week for reasons that are still unclear. meanwhile, the impeachment drumbeat is growing louder, going back and forth. now 61 house members including half of the democrats on the judiciary committee support impeachment hearings against the president. this is about ten more than just last weekend. as politico first reported tuesday, house speaker nancy pelosi also created a bit of a firestorm this week when she told senior democrats she does not want to see trump impeached. she wants to see him, her words, according to the report, in prison's that comment got the attention of many, including the president. >> i think she's a disgrace. i actually don't think she's a talented person. she's a nasty, vindictive, horrible person. nancy pelosi, i call her nervous nancy. she's a disaster. okay? she's a disaster. >> let's go to our panel. politico national correspondent and senior staff writer for "the hill" and former assistant watergate special prosecutor and msnbc news

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voicemail from one of the present attorney to an attorney for former national security adviser michael flynn. it was used as evidence a robert mueller's investigation into russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election. jillian turner reports on what this conversation could mean for president trump. >> reporter: yesterday afternoon federal prosecutors dropped the transcript of a voicemail one of president trump's lawyers love for former national security advisor michael flynn defense team. this transcript is one the special counsel robert mueller examined as part of his investigation into whether president trump obstructed justice. sotimately declined to make a determination about. this voicemail was left by one time counsel john dowd on a phone belonging to robert kellner currently represents michael flynn. in the message he said he understands flynn's compromise. it is position. saying it would not surprise me if you gone on to make a deal with and work with the government. he also asked for a heads up the former national security advisor intended to give mueller information that could

of the president's attorneys to the lawyer for the president's former national security adviser michael flynnis was part of the investigation into potential obstruction that was covering in robert mueller's russia report. in this call, the president's attorney is seeking information about flynn's discussions with the special counsel. we have the details of that call. >> this was a voice message sent to michael flynn's attorney. that attorney turned it over to the special counsel's office because there was some concern that people perhaps inside the trump administration perhaps even the president's own lawyer was somehow trying to influence michael flynn's cooperation. and let me read this. it's a lengthy voice mail. i'm just going to read it to you. it starts out with a call from john dowd to rob kelner. he says this is john again. maybe i'm sympathetic, i understand your situation but let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. if you have -- and it wouldn't surprise me if you went on to make a deal with and work with the government, i understand that you can't join the defense. so that

michael flynn will be a star witness.e, there is one new high profile lawyer he's brought in. i think the judge wants to meet these people and see whether or not there's something new that comes with the new team whether there's a new legal strategy. >> he's awaiting sentencing. this is first time he's back in court since december when he appeared before the federal judge. it was a very contentious moment. >> it was. they say we screwed up and one of the things we're expecting to see is whether or not mike flynn and his new legal team say one of the reasons why that went sideways was because of the legal team. in other words, if you remember the judge was trying to interpret whether michael flynn was trying to take back his guilty plea, whether he was blaming fbi for framing him. now we'll see whether this new legal team has a different strategy to go forward with. >> he was one of the first to cooperate with robert mueller. as far as we know, is he still cooperating? >> yes. that's very important thing for us to note bec

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we now know the committee subpoenaed rick gates and michael flynn. they are seeking documents and testimony from both men who were crucial cooperators for special counsel robert mueller. >>> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage now. >> thank you very much, mika. >>> good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle and we have a news day on our hands. our country is founded on a basic principle, american presidents are elected by the american people. but now president trump says it's another country, let's say russia or china or his words, norway, offers him information on an opponent in 2020, he thinks he would take it. >> if foreigners or russia or china offers you information on your opponent, should they accept it or call the fbi? >> i think maybe you do both. i think you might want to listen. i don't think there's nothing wrong with listening. if somebody called from a country norway, we have information on your country, i think we want to hear it. >> isn't that interference? >> it's not interference. i think i would take it.

this is recurring after michael flynn's lawyers say he is drawing from the joint defense agreement. and he says if you're cooperating we're going to need a heads up. he wants to know what is going on with the investigation. the other thing he says is remember that president trump feels about michael flynn, he is fond of him, currying favor with him. the other thing is to not look at this in isolation but the totality of the schicircumstanc. you will also see the return phone call that is very comp compelli compelling. and he gets upset and says i take that as hostility and i'm going to tell president trump about that hostility and that is the kind of intimidation that could be seen as obstruction of justice. >> absolutely i agree with barbara. if i were michael flynn's attorney and i listened to that voice mail being left on my phone, i would have just sat back in my chair and said wow, i can't believe i just heard that voice mail. when you a situation when you're a suggest or a target of an investigation, or you represent the suggest or target of an investigation and you think some

. >>> also today, former nationali security adser michael flynn is expected back inourt.his will be the firstime for him in court since he replaced his legal team. he asking a judge to delay his sentencing once again. he pleaded guilty of lying to the fbi as part of the russia investigation. back in december, a judge elayed flynn's sentencing give him more time to cooperate ith investigators. >>> this morning, tension between u.s. and iran continue to escalate. today, president trump could impose more sanctions on the tountry. the u.s. is tryinripple iran's economy to stop its nuclear weapons buildup. last thursday, the president cnaled off strikes after a val drone was attacked. he said he felt theack would have led to the loss of lives, which he deemed disproportionate to downing of an unmanned drone. >> if you want to talk about it, good. otherwise you can live in a shattered economy for a long time to come. i'm not looking for war. if there is, it will be obliteration like you've never seen before. >> the president said he doesn't want a war and is will to hold talks

back in december -- arthel: status hearing for michael flynn. >> yes, with regard to michael flynn. asn't a huge fan of him and not taking the responsibility so he continued everything. but i think going to michael's point, we've seen a whole lot of crazy in the last couple of years, right. so the fact that this might be completely unheard of to give up a sweet deal for whatever reasons we might not know about, it still could happen. this whole thing has been bizarre from the get-go. arthel: a whole lot of crazy. we're going to quote you and say that's why our wine consumption is on high income, let's say. rachel, michael, thank you very much. >> glad to be with you. >> thank you. eric: it turns out a witness in the special counsel's investigation has been ordered to jail on a child pornography case. the wall street journal reports george nader was detained in new york city. prosecutors say they found dozens of sexually explicit pictures of underage boys on his iphone. he is a dual lebanese citizen who acted as a liaison in the early days of the administration. he was charged in apri

officials complied with the voice mail transcript that john dowd which he left for the lawyer michael flynnwd made that call in november of 2017 before flynn pled guilty to lying to the fbi and cooperating with the mueller investigation. the transcript shows i'm system th sympathetic. dowd asked the lawyer to give them a head's up if flynn had information to implicate the president for sake of protecting all of our interests. prosecutors refused the judge's order to release by yesterday transcripts of information of michael flynn had with the russian am bass dbassador durin presidential transition. >>> some looking to impeachment referral to congress when asking what action should be taken against the president. 43% stayaid no action. 20% say congress should censure the president. >> you can't impeach the president until the people support it. you also don't want to divide the country so half the country is bitter for the next 30 years saying we won the election. you stole it. if there is justification, i think there certainly is, you have to develop the awareness in the country and the agr

they leaked it to basically corner michael flynn. >> sean: unbelievable.gainst the law. >> absolutely. >> sean: that is -- not allowed to unmask american citizens. there was a 350% increase in 2016 alone. samantha powers has no business at all i'm asking 300 people let alone one. professor, we already know what christopher steele is going to say, because he said it over the threat of perjury, i have no idea if any of the dossier is true, hillary paid for it, and yes, i hate donald trump because he told everybody, but they still used it as the bulk of information to get the fisa warrant against not only carter page, but a backdoor to all things trump campaign, transition, and presidency. >> i'm glad that he is testifying or at least appearing in front of the justice department, the questions that they will put to him in order to try to protect the investigatiol be based on chronology. when did you realize that the report was not as valid and solid as you originally thought it was? when did you learn that it was paid for by democrats? that was disclosed, bec

remember that president trump feels bottom michael flynn and he's fond of him currying favor with him. not to look at this in isolation, but the totality of the circumstances and the return phone call is compelling because when they say we can't share information, he gets upset and said i take that as hostility as michael flynn and i will tell president trump about that hostility. that is intimidation that could be obstruction of justice when you look at the picture. >> if i were talking about that, i would have sat back and said wow. you have a situation where you are subject to a target of an investigation and you represent the target of the investigation and you think someone who is part of your group left that group and now cooperating with the government and you are going to leave a voice mail, you have to do everything you can to be above reapproach. you didn't leave a suggest iive voice mail saying if your client decides to cooperate, we really want to know what he is saying and don't forget, the president really likes him. >> that's what is striking here. this is not just any

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and a judge said that he wanted to see the transcripts of these conversations that michael flynn wasing with the former russian ambassador sergey kisly kislyak. the justice department in their latest filings essentially just didn't turn them over. now the judge is saying he's fine with that. he doesn't need to see the transcripts. that's all we've seen publicly. it seems like there's more going on behind the scenes here. there may be some sealed filings from the justice department explaining why they don't want to hand those transcripts over, wolf. >> and sarah, tell us why new york state prosecutors want to move the former trump campaign chairman paul manafort who's serving seven and a half year prison sentence at a minimum security federal prison in western pennsylvania and move him to the notorious rikers island prison. >> he's also facing state charges in new york. if prosecutors get their way, they want to move him to rikers potentially to appear in court for his initial appearance but also potentially to await trial if he decides to go. rikers island is obviously a very differe

what do you make of michael flynn's situation right here? >> it's a little hard to read.n, today it was a quiet affair, just a motion for a little bit of a delay. but he was previously roughed up pretty good by judge sullivan for even suggesting that he had been framed for stepping away from the plea. and in powell, he's hired a lawyer who sells t-shirts saying "creeps on a mission has accused mueller of obstructing justice and destroying evidence" is a ring leader for the whole kind of antimueller crowd. so, that would teem to suggest a possible change of plea. but judge sullivan, you would think, would want no part of it. and any inconsistency on flynn's part, judge sullivan stands ready to hammer him on. so powell today was very low key and made it seem like we're just staying the course. and that would be sensible. but why you would do it with this lawyer of all lawyers is a real puzzle. >> that's a good point. a question about the house intel. they subpoenaed flynn and the campaign aide rick gates about a week ago. in a letter that came along with that subpoena, you

tonight," i'm don lemon, and news tonight on the president's former national security adviser michael flynn. the justice department for the first time releasing the actual audio of a voice mail from the president's attorney john dowd to flynn's attorney. it is a call that robert mueller investigated as a potential obstruction of justice by the president, and it includes this. >> remember what was always said about the president, and his feelings toward flynn, and that still remains but in any event let me know and i appreciate your listening and taking the time. thanks, pal. >> well, definitely more on that coming up. and we're also learning tonight about judiciary chairman jerry nadler arguing behind closed doors, trying to convince speak nancy pelosi to open an impeachment inquiry. lots more to come on that as well. big news night here. we've got to talk about the president's trip and how you've seen every single -- we've all seen every single side of him on this trip, all of contradictions, his good speeches, especially his well-received speech food on the 75th anniversary of d-day in fr

liz: the judge denied michael flynn's request to fire his lawyers. public relations blitz from the democrats going after trump, including william barr and don mcgahn. they're starting to fear that the momentum to get trump will be killed off by the doj probe. this month, that report. >> it could hit soon. and i got to tell you, this is one of the most anxiously awaited reports in washington, d.c. i think there's an untold story here. i suspect that the ig's report is going to fill in a lot of the blanks and it will be interesting to see what our friends on the hill say when the report hits as to whether there needs tore follow-up investigation into what the ig covers. it would be hypocritical if they say we're going to investigate the russia stuff but turn a blind eye to the wrongdoing uncovered by the inspector general. liz: the ig, inspector general for michael who wits said he still felt there were bias, words to the effect, on the part of peter strzok. your take on that. >> this is an ig who we've seen in the past. he hasn't pulled punches, he's

got in trouble for in the first place. >> michael flynn used secret back channel discussions withn ambassador to an effect undermine the obama administration's ongoing foreign policy. so, my question is, what counter intelligence concerns arise from this type of back channel coordination between an incoming presidential administration and a foreign adversary. >> when it comes to back channel communications on political or national security issues or views from the white house, one of the things that russia and other significant nation states, intelligence organizations, try to have that create d, and the reason they do is, they try to get the current administration, whether it's the one that's currently in there now or whenever, having their public face confuse what either the state department's saying or people that are saying stuff through a back channel. this is absolutely the exact same thing that was going on with the maria butina case, which i was the expert for for the department of justice four weeks ago at her sentencing. the key here is, russia wants to get the administr

as far as michael flynn. victoria is 100% right. michael flynn was a thorn in their side.me from their administration. he knew where the bodies were buried. he understood what was going on. as soon as they saw him join up with trump. >> sean: they were afraid? >> they were terrified. >> sean: this is how we treat 33-year veterans that we have the fbi director and the deputy fbi director bragging they set them up? >> that's right. >> sean: told them not to get a lawyer. and they leaked raw intelligence. >> you are not wrong on any of those points. another point brought up here. this was not their first rodeo. that scares them the most. sean. what terrifies them is an investigation is not just about trump. it's about what barr is going to uncover. this has been going on for at least a decade. these agencies are terrified their power will be pulled from them and they won't have the same type of tools and capabilities they had in the past because they abused them. >> you're absolutley right. >> sean: you got this started in march. way over 2 years now. i remember the conversat

how he handled the firing of james comey, his conduct around the former security advisor, michael flynn, and his efforts to get the former attorney general at the time, jeff sessions, to unrecuse himself and to oversee the mueller report. those are all topics they plan to press her on. michelle and dave? >> manu, thanks. >>> to cnn business now. stocks soared yesterday after president trump tweeted he will meet with chinese president xi jinping at the g20. the two had a very good telephone conversation, they will have an extended meeting next week. trump and xi were expected to meet to discuss trade. it was unclear whether a meeting would take place. if xi didn't meet with him trump said he would impose 300 billion worth of tariffs on china. hundreds of companies have warned the president about the effects of tariffs. a group of more than 600 of them wrote in a letter, quote, additional tariffs will have significant negative long-term impact on the company. even new balance which makes 4 billion pairs of shoes in the u.s. says it needs to import parts from china and the tariffs would hu

they corner michael flynn. leaked ity >> sean: unbelievable. that is against the law. >> absolutely. corner micha >> sean: that is -- not >> sean: unbelievable. that is against the law. >> absolutely. >> sean: that is -- allowed to unmask american not citizens. allowed to unmask american citizens. a 350% increase in 2016 alone. s a 350% increase samantha powers has no businessn 2016 alone. samantha powers has no business at all i at all i'm asking 300 people let alone one. alone one. pr professor, we already know whatw christopher steele is going to say, because he said it over tho say, because he said it over the threat of perjury, i have no idea if any of the dossier is true, hillary paid for it, and yes, i hate donald trump because he told everybody, but they still used it as the bulk of true, information to get the fisa hild yes, i hate donald trump because he warrant against not only carterf page, but a backdoor to alll information to get the fis things trump campaign, warrant against not only carte transition, and presidency. page, but a

there is also news tonight in the case of michael flynn, trump's former national security adviser who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi about his phone conversations with a former russian ambassador. the federal judge had ordered the transcripts of those discussions between flynn and ambassador be made public and on friday prosecutors had refused saying there was no need to file the transcript. tonight, that same judge has agreed and said nothing else was needed. this is all unfolding as trump, of course, is in london on the second day of his state visit. trump waded a little further into british politics today talking about brexit in a news conference with prime minister teresa may and meeting with its most vocal supporter. there was also a new escalation in trump's feud with london mayor. >> responding by name calling is the behavior i expect from an 11 year old. >> he is a negative force. he is not a positive force. he hurts the people of this great country. i think he should actually focus on his job. >> here for our leadoff discussion on a tuesday evening, carol lening, investig

i guess michael flynn continues to cooperate with the department of justice, but he too had all sorts of foreign contacts, not just with the russian ambassador, but with turkey, all raising possible counter-intelligence risks that we should properly understand. >>> and to your point, there's nothing to keep these two men from sharing what they know about their campaign. congressman jim himes, thanks for joining us. >>> joining me now is ned price, former cia analyst and former special assistant to president obama on the national security council. he's also an msnbc national security 57b8 it's. ned, people who know your work know you spent more than a decade working at the cia. what's the real danger in the president's comments? what national security issues did the salesmaner in chief invite upon the u.s.? >> i think congressman himes hit the nail on the head in a way, geoff. the idea this is opposition research as we think of is is dangerously naive, and i would say manifestly idiotic. our adver sesaries, they are opposed to our values. rush could turn around and help a democrat in t

ask you about michael flynn, particularly his actions with nd respect to russian ambassador -- and his attempt to undermine the obama administration's sanction were put into place in 2016 michael flynn used secret back channel discussions ith the russian ambassador to in effect undermine obama's administration foreign policy. what question is, counterintelligence concerns arise from this type of back channel coordination between an incoming presidential administration and a foreign adversary? why would the f.b.i. be concerned with an incoming national security adviser beforeing foreign policy the new president has ever taken office? informing the ut state department? well, first of all, when it to back channel communications or views from the of the things that russia and other significant nation states, try ligence organizations, to have that created, and the reason they do is they try to get the current administration, hether it's the one that's currently in there now or whenever, having their public what either with he state department is saying or people that are saying stuff throu

the discussion of what trump's lawyer said when dealing with former national security adviser michael flynn's lawyer. this was a very stressful hoth time. reports were out that he would make a deal with mueller. today for the very first time, that voicemail is up. we knew about this because it is part of mueller's evidence. now you can hear it for the very first time. >> hey, rob, this is john again. maybe i'm sympathetic. i understand your situation. let me see if i can't state it in starker terms. it wouldn't surprise me if you've gone on to make a deal. if on the other hand, there is information that implicates the president, then we've got a national security issue. we need some kind of heads up. >> remember what was always said about the president and his feelings toward flynn and that still remains. >> good evening to all of you. margaret, you've been covering a lot of these characters over the years. rarely do you get that private recording. what do you read from it? what do you see in the atmosphere? >> hearing it like that, it's chilling. it sounds like something that could be in the