a meeting including sydney powell, and michael flynn. which eventually turned into screaming matches as some trump aides pushback on powell and flynn's most outrageous suggestions. about overturning the election and all of that stuff about the dominion and the voting machines and all of this crazy stuff. and that's what we learned already. trump's allies knew. they knew there was no evidence the election was stolen. they knew it. >> there was never an indication of interest in what the actual facts were. he knew the plan to overturn the election was illegal. >> i would've let my body across the road before i let the vice president overturn the 2020 election. and you've heard all that from the people. not the protesters, they weren't armed, they weren't armed. well they were. and he knew the protesters were armed. >> who's to say they could march to the capitol from the ellipse. something to the effect of take the mags away they are not here to hurt me. let them in. let my people lead. they can march to cap off the rallies over. they can m

former national security adviser michael flynn.e was in that crazy december 18th meeting where there was talk about martial law and seizing voting machines. so, he's going to also be looked at today. we should note, roger stone and michael flynn have not been charged in this. >> pam, we'll pause for one second. john, we want to bring you, in the witnesses today, this convicted rioter, what is important for the committee to get from him, to tie him to what? >> well, i think they'll want to hear about what role donald trump and his rhetoric played on inspiring the attack on the capitol. notice the communication between any cooperation between donald trump and anybody on his team and domestic violence or extremist groups involved in the riot. i'm not sure we'll have that. but i do think we'll have powerful testimony that donald trump's words and actions inspired the attack on the capitol. >> pamela, i know also you have some reporting on pat cipollone's deposition where that meeting, that insane meeting factor, still large? >> yeah. a

stone and michael flynn. leap into the pride was directly. except for on december the 12th when i enrique nordean and roger were on the steps of the marriott holding an impromptu rally. i >> meaning? >> maybe there was a crowd of like a couple of hundred people and that they were i. they gave a short speech. it is like a pet rally. >> we're gonna hurt more. that may have you back depending on what comes out of the hearing tomorrow at the supreme court. >> thank you nick. i >> president biden facing pressure from his own party in the middle of a struggling economy and a series of seismic supreme court rulings. now they're some new polling that shows most democrats don't want him on the ballot in 2024. i h stops working after 9. 24 hour protection. prilosec otc one pill, 24 hours, zero heartburn. bubbles bubbles so many bubbles! as an expedia member you earn points on your travels, and that's on top of your airline miles. so you can go and see... or taste or do absolutely nothing with all those bubbles. without

the night before january 6, president trump instructed his staff to contact both roger stone and michael flynn regarding what would play out the next day. ms. hutchinson, is it your understanding that president trump asked mark meadows to speak with general flynn and mark meadows on january 5. ? >> i am under the question that mr. mentos didam under the imprt mr. meadows completed both called to them on the evening of the fifth. rep. cheney: do you know what they talked about that evening? ms. hutchinson: not sure. rep. cheney: -- war room at the willard hotel? ms. hutchinson: i was aware of that. rep. cheney: do you know mr. meadows ever intended to go to the hotel on that night? ms. hutchinson: he had a conversation with me where he wanted to work with the secret service -- with mr. giuliani in the associates in the war room. rep. cheney: what was your view on that on whether mr. meadows should go or not? ms. hutchinson: i made it clear to him that i don't think it was a smart idea for him to go to the hotel. i was unsure on everything that was going on their although i knew enough that -- o

we know for sure that michael flynn and roger stone both had connections. to the old keepers and probably for we know that mark meadows was in touch with them on january 5th. we had testimony that that happened because donald trump ordered it to happen. you can see the links. we don't know, what exactly was said? what was communicated? the one guy that can answer that who has a realistic chance of testifying, mark meadows. he started corroborating with the committee. he has stopped for some reason. we still don't know? he has gone away. he has refused to comply, no consequence. we do not know who the president called last week at some point who is a important witness. that person either missed the call or did not pick it up. a former president who is willing to make that call, could there have been more? >> it's a horrible idea for him to call anyone who may be a witness. we do not have enough evidence to call this witness tampering. it's an unanswered call. we have evidence at the prior hearing of two messages, one was related to cassidy hutchinson. that c

extremist groups that are tied to roger stone and michael flynn. the hearing comes as another trump ally, steve bennett, changes his tomb. telling the committee he would be willing to testify in a live setting. they believe it is a stunt to try to wiggle out of his criminal contempt charges. a judge on monday declined to postpone his. the committee has already revealed a bevy of information. trump and his allies were made fully aware that there was no evidence the election was still interested in i didn't say what was happening was necessarily -- >> >> reporter: trump new he lost the election but kept telling his supporters that he won. the will of the voters extended all the way to the states where trump personally pressured. he knew that his supporters were armed and planning to be feminine. he directed them to the capital, anyway. stephen i don't care that they have weapons. take the max away. >> reporter: how he ignored his advisers that there was no fraud. steve and i recall till the end saying, you are modeling in the outcome of a presidentia

the panel will be zooming in on long-time trump loyalist roger stone and michael flynn. now, we already know the oath keepers, they've given sort of security for roger stone's events. and he's denied, as we've said, knowing any of the plans to storm the capitol. a former oath keeper spokesman is now going to testify, we're told, as maybe a key witness tomorrow. prosecutors say that some oath keepers members actually brought explosives to the dc area around january 6th and had a, quote, death list. and this committee says it is going to really hone in tomorrow on how this violent mob all came together. and in their body of evidence, so to speak, members are going to say they will lay out how donald trump's tweet, as the president of the united states back on december 19, 2020, that the be there, be wild tweet, that was called some sort of a siren call to the mob and actually became a catalyst for the violence that we then saw. in fact, listen to member jamie raskin and how he defines it. >> the first time in american history when a president of the united states called a

he has funded the arizona audit of the 2020 election along with michael flynn. they founded a group called the america project that is supposedly dedicated to election integrity. what do we know about his continued efforts to fund and promote these conspiracy theories in our country? >> they haven't really stopped. he was sort of a prolific blogger in advance of january 6th trying to amplify some of these conspiracy theories, ideas that foreign governments had somehow infiltrating voting machines and changing votes and his theories in some ways seeded a lot of the other conspiracy theories that made up donald trump sorted and they all fit together to make up the justification for things, like seeding voting machines, claiming there was foreign interference so that trump could use his extraordinary powers to use the military as part of this effort to invoke the insurrection act and things like that -- trump never did any of these things, which is an important point to note. but the fact that he considered them, a, is extraordinary, and b filter down to some of th

folks like michael flynn, rudy giuliani.lled war room that is that the roller hotel in the days before january 6th. now you remember, trump chief of staff mark meadows, he wanted to be there with him. >> the summit has had a conversation with me. where he wanted to work with secret service on the move from the white house at the board hotel so we can attend meetings with mr. giuliani and his associates in the war room. >> also there, roger stone. the proud boys were his security for him. apparently, on january 6th. then steve bannon, who famously offered this preview of january 6th. >> all heck will break loose tomorrow. just understand this. it will break loose tomorrow. >> i see a trend with the word. but so how important is this timeline and this testimony from the former oath keepers spokesman. we'll look at that a newly-revealed evidence including and alleged that lets that was kept by another oath keeper. on cnn tonight returns. [ sfx: submarine rising out of water ] minions are bitin' today. ♪ liberty. liberty. libert

here, with michael flynn.in group chats with the leaders of the oath keepers in the proud boys. stone denies this. discuss the threat to follow that can link trump to knowledge of what was happening, phil? >> go ahead. elliott. you are gonna answer. >> no. it can, right? i think in order to get the president, which is the question everyone has. what, specifically, did the president have? you need more direct communication then is available right now. now, again, is this disqualifying for a future office? absolutely. now, there's all sorts of other crimes that they have committed here, namely, witness tampering. we're gonna talk about this today. conspiracy against the united states. but this incitement to violence question and whipping up hate groups and charging the president, it's gonna be incredibly difficult to do based on the information available to the public. again, we don't know what the justice department has. the way justice department works, it's not public with what is going on investigations. rig

those links ran right through people like roger stone, trump's national security adviser michael flynn, that is what the committee will be flushing out later today. and just to be crystal clear, flynn, stone, trump, all these guys deny that they knew about any plan for violence that day. but if those denials hold up, that is what we'll find out today to see if the committee has anything that can possibly undercut those denials and connect trump to the violence. >> and we'll be watching to see just how straight i guess that line is as they attempt to draw it. marshall, appreciate it. also with us is matthew brown, national koernltcorrespondent f "washington post." if we look at steven ayers who has cited that tweet from the president inspiring him, does it need to be more than just steven ayers who has now pleaded guilty talking about that connection? >> yeah, so this is a very integral part of what the jan 6 committee will be doing here. and it is really trying to bring the link between the words of donald trump and the actions of the rioters on january 6. so far we don't seem to have

and we heard from this committee roger stone, michael flynn, the trump associate and also, flynn, the white house, both will be singled out as part of this hearing. now in addition to that a big focus will be on a december 18th meeting that occurred in the white house where there were a number of discussions under way about how to overturn the elections, december 18, 2020, several weeks after joe biden won, talking about seizing of voting machines, potentially naming a special counsel. all of which we expect to hear from the committee more details about. also we expect to hear video deposition from pat cipollone, the trump white house counsel who was questioned extensively about that mid-december meeting. after that mid-december meeting there was a tweet that came out from donald trump that essentially urged his supporters to come to washington. the committee plans to show how that tweet led to the planning of these extremist groups that led to all the death and destruction that occurred in the capitol on january 6. but there will be live witness testimony, too. one is a former oath k

the extremist groups ties to trump associates, roger stone and michael flynn. the hearing comes as another key trump ally, steve bannon, is changing his tune. telling the committee, he would be willing to testify but only in a live public setting. it's a move prosecutors believe as a stunt to try and wiggle out from his criminal contempt charges but a federal judge on monday declined his request to postpone his trial for next week. >> i expect we'll be hearing from him and there are many questions that we have for him. >> the committee has already revealed a bevy of new information. among the biggest headlines, that trump and his allies were made fully aware that there was no evidence the election was stolen. >> i don't think it was happening was honest or professional. >> trump knew he lost election but kept telling the supporters he won. without evidence to back it up. that the campaign to support people of the voters extended all the way to the states. where trump personally pressured officials about his effort. >> you're asking me to do something to break m

old keepers, proud boys, you went on, connected to michael flynn and roger stone. connected to mark meadows. her collaterals connected to donald trump and we have no idea with those conversations were. that is a gap. thompson said that they had conversations between extremist groups and members of tom's organization. the best date established is that donald trump knows how to speak to the people indirectly through his tweets. that was quite potent. we do not have a direct quote. two it's also been highlighted, how many people knew about the real possibility that violence could happen. how law enforcement were not warned and better prepared. sergeant cannell, wrote in his op-ed about this incident be notified about the ginger, my colleagues and i were kept in the dark and walked into an ambush. >> it is incredibly striking. you have to think back to the cassidy hutchinson testimony. that hearing in which they established there were people within the secret service and the white house were warning the chief of staff, mark meadows, warning trump, and others, there wer

link and extremist groups ties to trump associates, roger stone and michael flynn. the hearing comes as another key trump ally, steve bannon, is changing his tune. telling the committee he would be willing to testify but only in a live public setting. it's a move prosecutors believe is a stunt to try and wiggle out of his criminal contempt charges. but a federal judge on monday declined his request to postpone his trial for next week. >> i expect that we will be hearing from him and there are many questions that we have for. him >> the committee has already revealed a bevy of new information. among the biggest headlines, that trump's allies were made fully aware that there was no evidence the election was stolen. >> i think what's happening with necessarily artist or professional. >> trump knew he lost the election but kept telling his supporters he won. without evidence to back it up. that the campaign to support the will of the voters extended all the way to the states. were trump personally pressured officials to help his efforts. >> you ask me to do something ag

to make michael flynn's case go away completely.uld restore the department to avoid controversy. i think if they take that too far, the desire to avoid controversy, and they somehow immunize the former president because it would be controversial to investigate a former president, that's a political decision. that's a very dangerous one. >> i think you put it very well. >> thank you. i think that if the attorney general is going to follow the evidence where it leads, we have artie seen evidence leading to the former president. i don't think that you can simply wait until you exhaust all of the investigations of those that attacked the capitol that day. there were multiple lines of effort to overturn the election. the multiple lines need to be investigated. they don't necessarily start out with the people on the ground of january 6th. >> finally, before i lose you, whatever everyone thinks of steve bannon, the pressure got to him. he is trying in some way to get out from under the trial that stems from the consent that your committee

the extremist group ties to trump associates roger stone and michael flynn. the hearing comes as another ally. telling the committee he would be willing to testify, but only in a live public setting. they believe it is a stunt to wiggle out from charges, but a federal judge on monday declined the request to postpone the trial for next week. >> i expect we will be hearing from them. many questions that we have for him. >> the committee has revealed a bevy of new information. among the biggest headlines, trump and his allies were made fully aware there is no evidence the election was stolen. >> i did not say what was happening necessarily as unprofessional. >> reporter: she knew that he did not win and did not have the evidence to back it up. to subvert the will of the voters extended all the way to the states where he personally pressured voters to help with this effort. the committee also revealed that trump knew his supporters were armed and planning to be violent, but directed them to the capitol anyway. >> overheard the president say something to the effec

michael flynn and roger stone. so, will we learn more about that?ill the committee really drive home that connection? and then the other big one is around the same time, mark me meadows, according to cassidy hutchinson was talking about going into the war room in the willard hotel. meeting with rudy giuliani. and john eastman did a phone call, according to hutchinson. again are we seeing the connections between mark meadows and the plotting that was happening. >> we will see, it will be fascinating elie honig, thank you very much. >>> coming up, we're going to speak with an extremism scholar and author of a book about oath keepers, sam jackson. what he says to look out for today. and the ex-wife of the oath keeper leader will join us as well. >>> for the second time in four days, a huge explosion has rocked the russian town in the southern region of kherson. seven people are missing, likely under the rubble. this attack by ukrainian forces is probably the largest in a russian-occupied part of the ukraine since the invasion began in late february. th

they turn to michael flynn. michael flynn at the hms has adequate resources for that. he said okay, we will go with that one. >> should be noted that michael flynn, who pleaded guilty twice to lying to federal investigators about his contacts with russia, he was pardoned by the president only a few weeks before the meeting. while the reported the time in fact, the next day -- the former president asked flint about his idea to impose the quote. we run the election. the january 6th elect committee also met with the homeland security inspector general. by u.s. secret service text messages. from january 5th and january six of 2021. which have been erased and which should obviously be a value to the committee. late last night, the selected may subpoena at the agency over the race text. representative jamie raskin of the committee says it is unclear if the text or missing or gone forever. that the committee is quote very concerned. chair benny thompson also said the committee is still discussing whether it will subpoena the former president speaking at the former president,

giuliani and sidney powell weren't there, along with the self confessed criminal, former general michael flynn, who was pardoned by donald trump, to avoid a prison sentence. and the former ceo of over.com. patrick byrne. there was no testimony about what patrick byrne contributed to the meeting today. four days before that meeting, the electoral college officially voted with joe biden, winning the clear majority of the votes of the electoral college. at that point, the top republican in the senate, mitch mcconnell, gave a speech, finally congratulating joe biden, on his victory in the presidential election, a victory joe biden earned weeks before that. attorney general william barr, testify to the january 6th committee, that as far as he was concerned, the electoral college vote on december 14th was quote, the end of the matter. today, white house counsel, that cipollone, testified on video, recorded on friday, that he believed donald trump should then have conceded to joe biden, after the electoral college voted. cipollone testified under oath that mark meadows, the white house chief of staff

e january 6th committee presenting a number of shocking details today including evidence that michael flynnight militia leaders ahead of the capitol riot. the committee also playing new video of testimony of then white house counsel pat cipollone and ivanka trump about whether they believed trump should concede the election despite his insistence falsely that he won. >> did you in your mind believe the president should concede the election loss at a certain point after the election? >> well, again, i was the white house counsel. some of those decisions are political. so to the extent that, if your question is did i believe he should concede the election at a point in time, yes, i did. i believe leader mcconnell went on to the floor of the senate, i believe in mid-december, and basically said the process is done. that would be in line with my thinking on these things. >> december 14th was the day on which the electoral college met. it was obviously a public proceeding or series of proceedings that president biden had obtained the requisite number of electors. was that an important day for yo

evening of december 18, 2020, sydney powell, general michael flynn and others entered the white house for an unplanned meeting with the president, multiple hours and hot blooded and contentious. the executive order behind me on the screen was drafted on december 16th, just two days after the electoral college vote by several of the president's outside advisers over a luncheon at the trump international hotel. as you can see here, this proposed order directs the secretary of defense to seize voting machines "effective immediately," goes further than that. under the order, president trump would appoint a special counsel with the power to seize machines and then charge people with crimes with all resources necessary to carry out her duties. the specific plan was to name sydney powell a special counsel. the trump lawyer who had spend post election period making out lan dish claims about venezuela and chinese interference in the election among others. what pat cipollone, white house counsel, had to say about sydney powell's qualifications to take on expansive authority. >> i don't think sy

of his own advisers, and instead, leaned on the counsel of election deniers like sidney powell, michael flynn, and rudy giuliani. >> i would categorically describe it as, you guys are not tough enough, or, maybe i put it another way. you're a bunch of excuse the expression., most certain the word was used. >> reporter: trump went forward with the efforts to overturn the result anyway. >> president trump is a 76-year- old man. he is not an impressionable child. just like everyone else in our country, he is responsible for his own actions, and his own choices. >> reporter: a drive that led to a raucous meeting at the white house in the middle of december, when trump wanted to name attorney sidney powell as a special counsel in order to seize voting machines. >> the president said, okay, i'm naming her that and i am giving her security clearance. >> reporter: former white house counsel, pat cipollone, testifying that he was displeased to see people like powell and flynn in the oval office and told trump, naming powell special counsel was a grave mistake. >> it's a terrible idea. that's not how w

meeting, including election denier sydney powell, her client former national security adviser michael flynn. rudy giuliani, not to mention the former overstocked c o patrick burn, they were around tossing around ideas to overturn the election. sources telling cnn including invoking martial law and an executive order to seize voting machines. for the first time, we heard pat cipollone's testimony about that. telling the committee that what happened win when he walked into the oval office that night, right before the screaming started. here it is. >> i opened the door and i walked in and i saw general flynn, i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. yeah, i don't think they were providing -- well, first of all. the overstock person, i never knew who this guy was. actually, the first thing i did. i walked in, i looked at him, and i said, who are? you and he told me, i don't think any of these people are providing the president with good advice. and i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> i think we got to the point where the screaming was c

the committee will also highlight the group's ties to trump allies roger stone and michael flynn. ryan nobles has the latest. >> reporter: cnn has learned that january 6 committee is planning to zero in on a key link, extremist groups ties to roger stone and michael flynn. this as another key trump ally steve bannon is changing his tune, telling the committee he would be willing to testify but only in a live public setting, prosecutors believe it is a stunt, but a federal judge declined a request to postpone his trial for next week. >> i expect that we'll be hearing from him and there are many questions that we have for him. >> reporter: the committee has a bevy of new information, among the biggest headlines that trump and his allies were made fully aware that there was no evidence that the election was stolen. >> i didn't think that it was honest or professional. >> reporter: trump knew he lost the election but kept telling his supporters he won without evidence to back it up. the campaign extended all the way to the states where trump personally pressured officials to help his

you saw people like allie alexander, michael flynn, roger stone, people who were in communication with some of these extremists, some of whom have already been sentence for seditious conspiracy by the department of justice. there is no direct link, yet, from the former president to those people. as lawyers have pointed out, like any good mob boss, he has used liaisons to be the intermediaries. also, at the end of the day, if you listen to the whistleblower we heard from twitter, the former president doesn't necessarily need to be directly in touch with those people. he communicated with them on the biggest platform possible, his twitter account. his tweets served as a clarion call for the activation and galvanizing of these fringe figures from different parts of the country and different allegiances, such as the proud boys and oath keepers, joining forces. this was correlated and organized around january 6. the committee put up a graphic of a map of washington d.c., pointing where police were stationed. there was coordination. there was also an indication of premeditation. a text messa

her client, michael flynn, rudy giuliani, not to mention over stocks eo, patrick byrne. they were there, tossing that outrageous ideas to overturn the election. sources telling cnn, including invoking martial law. an executive order to seize voting machines. for the first time, we heard pat cipollone's testimony about that, telling the committee that what happened when he walked into the oval office that, night right before the screaming started. here he is. >> i opened the door. i walked in. i saw general flynn. i saw sydney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. again, i don't think they are providing over fall, overstock person for who it was. the first thing, i walked in and looked at him. i said, who are you? he told me. i don't think any of these people were providing the president with good advice. and so, i didn't know how they gotten in. >> i think it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. you have people walking and, late at night, it's been a long day. what they were proposing, i thought,

people like sidney powell and michael flynn, people who were feeding the ex-president lies about hown had been conducted. take a listen to white house officials describe that scene that night. >> i remember the three of them were really sort of forcefully attacking me, you know, verbally. eric -- we were pushing back, and we were asking one simple question. as a general matter, where's the evidence? >> i think that it got to the point where the screaming was completely, completely out there. i mean, again, people walk in, it was late at night, it had been a long day, and what they were proposing, i thought, was nuts. flynn screamed at me that i was a quitter, kept on standing up and turning around and screaming at me, and then at a certain point, i had it with him. so, i yelled back. sit your f'ing ass back down. >> at the end of the day, we landed where we started the meeting, at least from a structural standpoint, which was, sidney powell was fighting, mike flynn was fighting, they were looking for avenues that would enable -- that would result in president trump remaining presiden

but the interesting element here is definitely the michael flynn and the roger stone connections. ger stone, of course, has ties to the proud boys. mike flynn has ties to the oath keepers, when they move together, his hyperion security detail worked with the oath keepers. a lot of crossover connections here. what cassidy hutchinson revealed, and i expect the committee to build upon, is there now is a connection from the white house, through the president, to these groups. and that is something that we have not heard before, and i think it is a very significant point that jamie raskin, when he committed this hearing -- >> reporter: jill wine banks, and hugo lowell, thank you my friend her being here this evening, i appreciate it. >>> coming up ahead, hannity is still with trump, but we are seeing real breaks from major conservatives. new political fallout amid the to bombshell, we have that news for you coming up next. >>> the tragedy is, that there are politicians in this country beginning with donald trump who have lied to the american people. if we embrace the lie of donald trump

it involved trump and election deniers including sydney powell, michael flynn, rudy giuliani, and overstockas a heated and profane clash between this group and president trump's white house advisers. who traded personal insults, accusations of disloyalty to the president, and even challenges to physically fight. >> what they were proposing, i thought, was nuts. >> i'm going to categorically describe it as you guys are not tough enough. or maybe i put it another way, you're a bunch of pussies. >> flynn kept standing up and turning around and screaming at me. at a certain point, i had it with him. so i yelled back. either come over or sit your f'ing ass back down. >> during the six-hour meeting that ended after midnight, trump even suggested naming sydney powell as special counsel even though he was told repeatedly there was no widespread faud to investigate. >> the president said okay, i'm naming her that and giving her security clearance. and shortly before we left, it totally blew up. >> i was vehemently opposed. >> the meeting resulted in this draft executive order commanding the secretar

house meeting that we learned about during this week's hearing, the one with sidney powell and michael flynn patrick bern were trying to convince him to thwart joe biden's victory. joining us is someone who was in all those meetings, january 6th select committee member, congresswoman zoe lofgren. does the explanation of the missing text messages make any more sense to you? >> not really. but i think it's worth noting that a spokesperson for the secret service issued a statement last night. they said that although some data had been lost, that all of the texts that the inspector general was seeking were still available. so we need to get all the texts from the 5th and the 6th over to our committee asap if what they've said is correct that those texts have not, in fact, been deleted. i will say that the explanation that you have to factory reset and eliminate your data without backing up your data just seems -- i'm skeptical. i mean, i wouldn't do that on my personal iphone. you know, the argument about when the request was made is largely irrelevant. the secret service was aware this was one

paul manafort, michael flynn, george poppel up -- george papadopoulos were all charged with violations and it was used to get them to cooperate to build their case. the other possibility is a possible money laundering case. by that, it's possible that hunter biden had set up several u.s. entities which the money from the foreign entities would come in and it would be used to obscure where it came from and it would help and not be able to report that on his taxes. that's another avenue prosecutors are looking into. there is for avenues that we are aware of where this case could go. the prosecutors i have talked to said they think if there is a guilty plea, and they think that's the most likely outcome, it would probably be in the tax case because that's the easiest one to prove and it would carry the strictest -- it would carry the biggest sentence you could make in a case that you went after hunter biden for something which would give -- get a lot of pressure off of attorney general merrick garland. he is facing a lot of pressure from republicans just don't like it because he's a democ

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including roger stone and michael flynn this hour, i will ask select committee member adam kinsinger at the panel will connect the dots directly to trump. also tonight, present biden is on the defense as he prepares to leave on a major middle east trip including a controversial visit to saudi arabia. can he reset relations with the country he had vowed to make a pariah? and new efforts are now underway to free americans britney greiner and paul whalen from captivity in russia. the better and hostage negotiator former governor bill richardson is now expected to travel to moscow in hopes of winning the release. we want to welcome our viewers here in the united states and around the world, i'm wolf blitzer, you're in the situation room. on this the eve of the next january six hearing, select committee aides are sharing new details on what to expect as the panel zeros in on the far right extremists at the forefront of the insurrection. cnn congressional correspondent ryan nobles has our report from capitol hill. >> the justice department says they were among the writers causing the most

it has rudy, michael flynn, sydney powell, and the groups are all discussing, how to invoke martial law with donald trump. and they wanted to appoint sydney powell and special counsel to investigate voter fraud. it was right after that meeting that trump tweeted, it was in the next, day tweeted to supporters calling them to protest their own government. that certainly never happened before in the history of the united states, for the simple reason that most presidents understand that they are supposed to act on behalf of the people, not the act other way around. steph, i guessed, there is the theoretical possibility that donald trump was in the guy calling the shots, or they won't be able to prove that. but, i have to say, this committee, these kind of council who are working on the committee, these are top-notch people, they know exactly how to investigate a mob operation, and that is what's, unfortunately, the white house and the last administration is looking like it was. >> and if our audience is not familiar, to stephan, bill hater who's one of his best snl characters, he was a new

on the evening of december 18th, 2020, sydney powell, general michael flynn and others entered the white house for an unplanned meeting with the president. the meeting, that would last multiple hours and become hot blooded and contentious. the executive order behind me, on the screen, was drafted on december the 16th, just two days after the electoral college vote, by several of the presidents outside advisers over a luncheon at the trump international hotel. as you can see here, this proposed order directs the secretary of defense to seize voting machines, quote, effective immediately. but it goes even further than that. under the order, president trump would appoint a special counsel with the power to seize machines and then charged people with crimes, with all resources necessary to carry out her duties. the specific plan was to named sydney powell as best counsel. the trump lawyer who had spent the postelection period making outlandish claims about venezuelan and chinese interference in the election, among others. here is what white house counsel, pat cipollone, had to say about sydn

what happened to michael flynn. this is a great question to ask. >> what happened? >> because there is a lot of people that i've looked up to for a long time in the military, a lot of people that i consider to be great patriots that will tell you that in his time, before he went crazy, that general flynn, and i heard this from one after another, was one hell of a intel operator. he was a guy, i think it was general mccaffrey, who said he's a guy you wanted on your side in the past. >> yeah. this is the thing. think about what it takes to be of good intelligence officer. you need to have discernment, judgment, and understanding of facts, respect for evidence, and the things that this guy says now out on tour around the country are just remarkably off the wall. you know, as though your doctors started telling you to drink a lead diet because that's the new key to health. he has endorsed the craziest election conspiracies. the idea that the italian government used military satellites to change votes in election machines from trump to biden. the idea that covid is a hoa

if you did get him in terms of first-hand conversations with donald trump, conversations with michael flynn and rudy giuliani and all the other people who we know were involved in -- i was about to use the term mischief but i stopped myself because of the stakes involved. >> right, there was an insurrection, there was violence and there was a steve bannon in the middle of it all. saying strap into his listeners in the days leading up to january 6th. some people apparently wanted to be in on that meeting. he is a really important nexus in terms of connecting dots to trump and to the outside groups, too, on a more nefarious group like the oathkeepers, did he have any contact with them? he has refused, so far, to give up any documents. he clearly wants a public airing, because he is a clown and once that kind of platform to probably argue some ridiculous points and the committee is smart to say no, we want to see you behind cameras, he is clearly at this point with the trial. >> right. he likes the theater, without a doubt. however, is this more he would not like a jail cell? four months he wo

it included a ragtag group of coup plotters, people like sydney powell, michael flynn, rudy giuliani,f course who could forget, former overstocked outcomes ceo patrick byrne. last week, we learned new details about what happened during that meeting, and how trump white house counsel, pat cipollone, reacted when he first learned about it. >> after gaining access to the building from the junior white house staffer, the group made their way to the oval office. they were able to speak with the president by himself for sometime until white house officials learned of the meeting. what ensued was a heated and profane clash between this group and president trump's white house advisers, who traded personal insults, accusations of disloyalty to the president, and even challenges to physically fight. >> i was not happy to see the people who are in the oval office. well, again, i don't think they were providing -- well, first of all, the overstock person, i've never met, i never knew who this guy was. actually, the first thing i did, i walked in, i looked at him, i said, who are you? and he told

they were trying to -- their people like michael flynn, roger stone.y have introduced these broad concept of the public, the public as general awareness of what january six was all about. in a second set of hearings, they might be able to go deeper into the evidence and really kind of flash those connections out. both the american public, and also for the justice department. >> i was gonna say, yes, merrick garland should be listening closely. hugo, always listening to you. thank you so much, good to see you. coming up next, a sweltering summer of record breaking heat. there is the physical danger of going without air conditioning. nger o going without air conditioning going without air conditioning it's easier to do more innovative things. [whistling] ever leave your clothes in the dryer and find a wrinkled mess? s so soft, wrinkles don't want to stick around. make mornings smoother with downy wrinkle guard fabric softener. now today's other top stories. ivana trump's death has been ruled an accident by medical examiners due to blunt impact injuries t

you specifically mentioned roger stone and michael flynn as two people the committee will be looking for. committee aides telling us they will indeed show roger stone and michael flynn having direct ties to these extremist groups during their hearing tomorrow. >> ryan nobles on capitol hill, thanks so much. joining us now to discuss, documentary filmmaker alex holder. he had behind the scenes access to the trump white house and the trump family for unprecedented streaming on discovery plus. alex, thanks for being here. now that we have seen all three parts of the documentary, is there footage that did not air that could be relevant to criminal investigations, do you think? >> probably, yes. >> can you give us an idea of what that might be? >> i came to that conclusion mainly because of the fact the grand jury investigation has subpoenaed the material, so they have an idea there could be something in there and there are various bits of information that didn't make it into the film for various reasons and that could be of interest to the georgia grand jury. >> committee members say tom

, oud boys and oath keepers and links they have to trump associates, including roger stone and michael flynnphy said it will showcase the december 2020 tweet, mr. trump writing big protest in d.c. on january 6th, be there, will be wild. >> president's tweet in the wee hours of december 19th activated the groups and how the members of congress amplified that tweet, and the tragic end result was january 6th. >> reporter: members of both far right groups have been accused of seditious conspiracy and raising money for the attack ahead of the 6th. recent court filings allege some brought bomb makers instructions and a hit list to washington. >> came with explosives, armed, with maps of the capitol and plans that extended beyond just a peaceful protest. many ways they carried out the will, the pressure, the anger, they were manifestation of that. >> reporter: committee member tells cbs news they'll play excerpts tomorrow of last week's deposition with former white house counsel who tried to stop trump from challenging the election results and trying to join the mob. norah. >> will be worth watchin

. >> michael flynn, also. remember that moment? >> michael flynn, exactly. right, are you okay with the peaceful transition of power? i take the fifth. that was a strange one. the counter move the committee has is, okay, we're going to give you immunity, meaning you can testify here and it won't be used against you. the catch, however, is generally speaking as a matter of law, if congress gives someone immunity, let's say john eastman, that severely limits perhaps outright eliminates doj's chance to ever prosecute that person. this comes out of the famous oliver north case when we were all kids in the '80s, and there is some risk. there's some upside to get the testimony. the risk is they could be giving the person a free pass. >> i was the youngest of all the kids in the '80s of this particular panel, thank you very much. >> you were. >> i just want to put that out there. don't either of you try and disrupt what i just said about that very notion. such a pleasure to speak with both of you. i want to hear more. again, we were told it was the last hearing las

we keep advisors of the out in the circle, trump, michael flynn, roger stone, etcetera, people who report flynn and it's in the bell, for example, part of the summer 18th and hinch meeting in the oval office. it also just kind of showed, you know, the president kept his actual voice out of the planning. he did tweet, of course, more than a dozen times about january 6. but the voices that you keep hearing talking about it are that of his supporters, then they're planning the types of weapons they would use and what they would bring. it seems to be his supporters on these social media apps and websites that are that are lending their voices to it. not necessarily the president's my question is at this point, are they doing enough to prove that? >> former president trump was responsible for the violence. well, let's not forget about the testimony of cassidy hutchinson that at that rally that morning. >> by the way, rally, which he was already well on his way had pre planned that sort of off the record travel to the capital to march with the protesters. but he had said. he had been informed t

he's the low level aide who got sydney powell, michael flynn, and patrick byrne into the white house for a raucous meeting in december where the election deniers encouraged trump to fight on. the former white house aide took to social media after his deposition in a white nationalist rant calling the committee -- >> an anti-white campaign. they see me as a young christian who they can try to basically scare. >> and part of what has the committee so concerned is that they can't seem to get a straight answer from the secret service as to what exactly happened to this information from their agents on january 5th and 6th. and the letter that the secret service sent to the committee really didn't clarify it all that much. in the letter it said in part, the secret service continues to engage in extensive efforts to further assess whether any relevant text messages sent or received by 24 individuals identified by the dhs oig were loss due to the migration and if so, whether such texts are recoverable. so to put that in plain language, wolf, they don't know whether or not they can ever get t

rudy giuliani, the president's personal attorney, and three other people including michael flynn, former security advisor. by then he did not have a position at the white house. you see all of the people there who were advising him. sidney powell included and patrick byrne on the end who is the ceo of overstock.com. the testimony today was that it was not clear they had been invited to the white house. they somehow at the last minute were able to get into the oval office. they all presented the testimony today saying conspiracy theories that ran the gamut pushing the president to do things like declare martial law, to seize election machines, those kinds of things. also coming into the oval office during that meeting were actual white house staffers. there you see some of them who were involved. the attorney, the staff secretary, mark meadows, chief of staff in and out. and the president's house counsel pat cipollone. they were pushing back at the others in what was described in an extensive montage as a very hostile confrontation. let us listen to how they explained that in the hearing

it is notable as well as michael flynn both of which you write about the most recent.eport allred hugo, thank you so much for that. we will talk to you soon no doubt. and for all of, you can go you be sure to watch msnbc for all day coverage of tuesday's hearings. it begins with one job 6 am, and evander mitchell, katie church, holly jackson, they'll be joining after the hearing and if you can't watch during the day, you can watch the recap at 8 pm with rachel maddow and her panel of msnbc. house for their keen insights, it is tuesday for you here on msnbc. now though to the latest on the economy, and efforts to present a recession. the labor department says that 372,000 jobs in june. the unemployment rate maybe study at 3.6% and as tom costello reports, the job reports precip in the optimists. employers have now added more private sector jobs than before the pandemic. health care, business services, leisure, hospitality, transportation, and manufacturing. >> as the federal reserve tries to avoid a recession, a top official says that this employment report is very enco

a group showed up at the white house, including sidney powell and michael flynn and overstock.com ceon. they made their way to the oval office. they were able to speak to the president by themselves for some time. they traded insult and even challenges to physically fight. the meeting would last over six hours beginning here in the oval office, moving around the west wing and many hours later ending up in the president's private residence. they spoke with six participate participants what happened next was what was best heard in this video. >> did you think you were going to see the president? >> i had no idea. >> did you get to see the president without an appointment? >> we did. >> how many people with you before the crowd came reason running? >> maybe ten or 15 minutes. >> i opened the door and i saw general flynn and sidney powell. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. i walked in and i looked at him and i said, who are you? he told me. i didn't think the president was getting good advice. i didn't understand how they had gotten in. >> did the president seem recept

you see three other people, including michael flynn.lso see all of the people there who were advising him, sidney powell including patrick. those four people, the testimony today, it was not clear they actually had been invited at the white house. they at the last minute were able to get into the oval office. they presented conspiracy theories that ran the gamut, pushing the president to do things like declare martial law to seize election machines. also coming into the oval office during this meeting were actually white house staffer. there, you see some of them that were involved. the staff secretary. mark meadows, chief of staff. and the president white house counsel. they were pushing back at the four others in what was described in an extensive montage as a very hostile confrontation. let's listen to how it played out. >> i opened the door and i walked in. i saw general flynn, i saw sidney powell sitting there. i was not happy to see the people in the oval office. >> was the meeting tense? >> oh, yeah. it was not a casual meeting.