>> he michael gambaun used to creep up behind me in the canteen of the national theaterment and he would say something so profane that i can't possibly repeat it. but the-- it was encouraging. he would say something good. we have seen me in a play and he would have seen something good and that would get me through the next 18 months. he was the one i saw up ahead who i responded to. he was a modern acker. a contemporary actor. >> what does that mean? >> it means that he wasn't somehow-- he wasn't confined by any of the conventions of performing that were around at the time. he was kind of radical in a way. and apart from the fact that he is touched by genius i mean i know that is the cliche of all cliches. but i feel it to be true. and he has thrilled me. and when i first saw skylight for instance which he created this role i kind of sword fenced all the way home. like you were a kid and you went to see a sword fencing movie or a gangster moviest and shoot and jumped over. it was exactly like that i was thrilled and i remember feeling obscurely proud that i did the same job as those peop