the stars of "all that fall" from michael gambone and dime eileen atkins and the director sir trevor nunn. >> somebody i heard lecturing about becket said something that i think is genius that somebody in the audience was complaining that beckett can seem to be so pessimistic and this lecturer said "i think in beckett there is a pessimism that makes optimism look like sentimentality. >> ooh. >> i thought that was devastating and i think that's -- that's the illumination we get from him. >> rose: and then there is the new british film called "philomena" which stars dame judi dench. we talk to her costar, television star steve coogan. >> i wanted to make the story which although it was a tragedy that happened in her life with her son, i wanted people to be somehow leave the cinema in an optimistic or hopeful frame of mind. so the way to find in that in the story was to be led by philomena. because philomena's grace and fortitude and stoicism in the face of all that was quite inspiring. >> rose: sir michael gambone, sir trevor nunn, dame eileen atkins and steve coogan when we continue.