joining me now, anita done and michael gerson.lcome to both of anita, let me start with you.uo michael gerson. welcome to both of you. anita, let me start with you.nn and michael gerson. welcome to both of you. anita, let me start with you.ned michael gerson. welcome to both of you. anita, let me start with you.e michael gerson. welcome to both of you. anita, let me start with you. a michael gerson. welcome to both of you. anita, let me start with you. it does feel like white house particularly in the last six months that has been in nothing but reaction mode. >> chuck, there is a real difference between the work of governing, which is these are complex issues and the immigration issue is a very good example of significant issues in the countries that are driving a lot of this. and obviously the administration's been working with those countries, vice president biden went down to the area. so you have a foreign policy set of issues that nobody in washington wants to pay attention to or at least not on the level where you're talkin

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for the first time on the program, lori montenegro, national correspondent for telemundo, michael gersonlumnist for "the washington post" who serve ed as chief speechwriter for president bush, and carolyn ryan, political editor from "the new york times." welcome to all of you. chuck, from secretary johnson, i think an ambiguous response to what they are going to do and how exactly we got here. >> it's been that way. it was that way in the white house briefing. you could not get a straight answer out of the administration. you couldn't get them to say, should the president's image be used to send the message in central america. to send the message, hey, don't sed your kids here. this isn't going to happen. ambiguity with you, do you want to increase deportations. they've been afraid to say that and it's the politics of this. immigration, separate from the issue debated in washington but conflated obviously back and forth. i think part of the problem is an administration on one hand has immigrant rights groups wanting them to expand some of the executive orders, dreamers, this daca thing,

you know, i love michael gerson. i just feel like this op-ed may be about six months late.y is coming together. a lot of people talk about a civil war inside of the party. i see you have that look. i think this tea party establishment divide is over, except in places, you know, like chris mcdaniel in mississippi. there will continue to be the battle. there will continue to be people like myself who are opposed to a gop establishment that loves spending as much money as big government liberals. >> rimt. >> we will have that battle. and there will be -- continue to be people that will hold up bills in the senate that spend too much money and there will be people like me who think that is just a great thing. but the key is that you're conservative ideological and i think we are moving in that direction. i don't see the great divide that i saw six months ago or a year ago. >> like what republicans are we talking about who have influence in washington to try and come together on legislation or ideas, who are the ones showing the temperament to be able to do so? >> well, you brou