this is a support by michael gerson anyway of a resetting of political norms in the era of joe biden.resting. and he was talking about sanity and temperament for the most part. but george conway was having a conversation with fellow conservatives, life-long republicans who left the party since donald trump and we were bemoaning the fact that our choice is between a party that right now is pushing policies that we have, obviously, problems with. whether you're talking about the speedy withdrawal from afghanistan or bernie sanders $3.5 trillion budget bill that's going to be a reconciliation bill. that's on one side but on the other side for me it's not political niceties, it's actually on the other side you have a party that's against western democracy, if you're talking about donald trump's party that elevates people like orbon, people that praise the end of liberal democracy and brags about being illiberal. that's not a choice at all, is it? we're left with no choice but to be against the party that continues to elevate people like donald trump. >> yeah, absolutely. i agree with that