charged with a crime, they just don't have the money to post bail t moderate is chief attorney and michael gonzalez and look forward to this panel and their with wisdom. >> thank you, jeff. the reform and commercial bail system is one of the hottest topics. the institute of policies has called the bail system a failed policy that leads to excessive incarceration and mostly of pretrial detainees who cannot afford to buy their freedom. time and time again commercial bail has proven itself to most effective with those released on assurity bonds with 60 percent less likely to become fugitives. let me introduce the panel, der a dwight is with the association, she owns carson bail bonds and in the industry for 4 decades and former mistake mayor of carson california and helen for the juvenile and criminal justice system and currently on the and ralph on the commission of san francisco and works closely with the sheriff's department which now leads the program for violent offenders. >> san francisco, he has over 3 decades of experience in law enforcement including his former role as chief of police in san

gonzalez and debby hampton president and ceo of the united way of central oklahoma. ladies, thank you both so much for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> john: joining me now is michael hastings, "buzzfeed" correspondent at-large, writer for rolling stone and author of panic 2012, the sublime and terrifying inside story of obama's final campaign. a great read, by the way. eric boehlert, senior fellow at media matters. thank you for your time this evening. let's get this out of the way. is it too soon to start talking about the politics of this disaster or are they already discussing the politics of this disaster in d.c. is this precisely the right time michael? >> i don't think there's such a thing as too soon when it comes to politicizing storms and national tragedies in politics these days. i remember when sandy happened, who would politicize it first. even by asking that question, the media is engaged in politicizing it. i say go ahead. politicize. fire away. >> john: it is a fine line between helping the afflicted and politicizing it, isn't it? >> john: it would be nice if we didn't have to have this discussion about politicization and things like that but i thin