tonight michael gordon chief military correspondent of the "new york times" on syria and whether the president may be reconsidering the use of american weapons supplied to the rebels. the concern president obama had lying weapons would in effect be involved in a proxy war supported by iran and russia. the other side of the debate is nothing else is working and we need to create pressure on assad and build relationship with people inside syria who might take over one day. another factor is there are rebels, al-qaeda affiliated rebels the united states and the west doesn't support. and i don't think it's in the west's interest to see them end up at the top of the heap. >> rose: and then we turn to the story of the chinese army spying on the american government and american companies with david sanger of the "new york times," dune lawrence and michael riley of bloomberg businessweek. >> the cyber has been off to the side as something of an annoyance. i'm hearing this has gotten so big it's moving to the center of the relationship and it risks the rest of the relationship. i think the ne

joining me is michael gordon the chief military correspondent for the "new york times." i'm please to do have him on this program. welcome. >> nice to be here. >> much to talk about. let me begin with syria. we all know from congressional testimony from leon panetta the former sect of defense and others that there was a recommendation from leon panetta and from david petraeus at ci and from hillary clinton at state to do something. >> so what happened, i believe, and i did a lot of reporting on it. and actually it was an article that i worked on with mark rangler that was the basis of the question that elicited secretary panetta's response. in iraq training the troops was looking for a way in syria. he wanted not only to influence the situation on the ground now but assuming assad is deposed, the thought was it would be beneficial from the united states had some stronger relationships with the fighting groups of groups inside syria. the people actually in control the ground. then secretary of state hillary clinton supported that argument. so did leon panetta and general

it is written in michael gordon's book and its knowledge, is that?ou were there. >> i presented a range of options. >> don't you know that the administration's pition was that down to 3500? they didn't tell you that? >> soraya was nowhere for the number was and i don't recall specifically what the final option was being considered. >> you really don't remember specifically that it wasn't 3500? >> sir, in that range of opons, again since we never close -- >> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff testified that the number was down to 3500. general dempsey did before this committee and you didn't know that even though you wre their? >> sir i didn't know what the number was. >> was 3500. >> it was a small number, yes sir. >> which is why it has been well-documented te iraqis decided to try to obtain immunity of over 3500 troops wasn't worth the effort. so do you believe iraq is headed in a positive or negative direction? >> sir again some of the things we we are seeing in iraq is very troubling with the air of guards tensions and the sun protest. on

it is written in michael gordon's book and its knowledge, is that? you were there. >> i presented a range of options. >> don't you know that the administration's position was that down to 3500? they didn't tell you that? >> soraya was nowhere for the number was and i don't recall specifically what the final option was being considered. >> you really don't remember specifically that it wasn't 3500? >> sir, in that range of options, again since we never close -- >> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff testified that the number was down to 3500. general dempsey did before this committee and you didn't know that even though you were their? >> sir i didn't know what the number was. >> was 3500. >> it was a small number, yes sir. >> which is why it has been well-documented the iraqis decided to try to obtain immunity of over 3500 troops wasn't worth the effort. so do you believe iraq is headed in a positive or negative direction? >> sir again some of the things we we are seeing in iraq is very troubling with the air of guards tensions and the sunni pr

it is written in michael gordon's book and its knowledge, is that? you were there. >> i presented a range of options. >> don't you know that the administration's position was that down to 3500? they didn't tell you that? >> soraya was nowhere for the number was and i don't recall specifically what the final option was being considered. >> you really don't remember specifically that it wasn't 3500? >> sir, in that range of options, again since we never close -- >> the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff testified that the number was down to 3500. general dempsey did before this committee and you didn't know that even though you were their? >> sir i didn't know what the number was. >> was 3500. >> it was a small number, yes sir. >> which is why it has been well-documented the iraqis decided to try to obtain immunity of over 3500 troops wasn't worth the effort. so do you believe iraq is headed in a positive or negative direction? >> sir again some of the things we we are seeing in iraq is very troubling with the air of guards tensions and the sunni pr

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it's written in michael gordon's book and it is well, knowledge, isn't that true? you were there. >> i was, sir. again, i presented a range of options. >> don't you know that the administration position was back down to 3500? they didn't tell you that? >> sir, i was aware of what the number was. i don't recall specifically what the, what the final option was, being considered. >> really don't remember specifically an important issue like this, that it wasn't 3500? >> sir, i have, in that range of options, again, since we never closed, i have never -- >> the chairman of joint chiefs of staff testified that the number was down to 300 -- 3500. general dempsey did, before this committee and you didn't know that, even though you were there? >> sir, i did know what the number was. >> it was 3500? >> it was a small number, why yes, sir. which. >> which is why, it is well-documented, the iraqis decided to try to obtain immunity over 3500 troops wasn't worth the effort. so do you believe iraq is headed in a positive or negative direction? >> sir, i think, again, some of the

list of the president must have in lining talk show hosts rush limbaugh, oliver north, j gordon liddy and michaelgan and others take to the air with basically the same format detail a problem, blame the government or a group and invite invective from like-minded people. >> sean: i only have 20 seconds now that this guy loved liberals, i guess justified by their logic to blame them for what he did. >> and the left has blame whitey or blame righty and now the blame righty mob has remained silence since this manifesto heaped praise on these people and come back to blow up in their faces and nothing to say about it. >> sean: michelle, always good to be with us. >> you bet. >> sean: and called a liberal mainstre mainstream, marco rubio taking a drink of water. and how dare he. we'll look at the ridiculous things lobbed at the senator and scott brown makes his first appearance as a fox news contributor on hannity and log on to our special companion site hannity and share your thoughts on the media and the california ♪ [ male announcer ] start with a groundbreaking car. good. then invent an entirely new