but, ned, we've now mentioned michael gove talking about shame.ng about blame. does this kind of language give any cause — should it give us any cause for unease, do you think, we are going to turn the unvaccinated into some sort of social pariahs? well, i'm with steve in the sense that in some sense this is a statement of the blindingly obvious, that i think it's now such a broad consensus that no matter what else we need to get out of this pandemic, vaccination as broadly as possible is part of it. i think the more interesting question it perhaps raises — and it's a debate that's ongoing in the united states — is whether that kind of language will work. in other words, the key is how do you get vaccine—hesitant people to get jabbed 7 and it's a mix now of financial inducements and various other things. my suspicion is that particularly with new information coming about the delta variant, i think we may see a shift in the messaging in some countries away from presenting vaccination as something you do for someone else, the way kay ivey said, "you

i mean, i think, first of all, what michael gove said really is a statement of the obvious.backlash with a small proportion of — well, maybe a biggish proportion of the tory parliamentary party, but not elsewhere in the house of commons. so there are two separate issues. the politics of it within the conservative party, and what needs to be done to vaccinate younger people who are reluctant. and what needs to be done — and here, even the libertarianish boris johnson seems to be in agreement — is they need to get those vaccinations. now, here the government is sort of doing it by saying, "if you don't, you might have to show a vaccine passport in nightclubs and so on". there needs to be more of that, clearly — as we are seeing elsewhere in france and other places, the united states with talk of $100 to get vaccinated — to make sure we don't get an epidemic of the unvaccinated. so it seems to me he was making an absolutely straightforward observation. the question is now whether further measures are needed, irrespective of the mood of a percentage of the conservative parliamen

don't forget the context of this — after michael gove _ the context of this — after michael gove was— gove was the education secretary, we went back to more traditional exams systems _ went back to more traditional exams systems a_ went back to more traditional exams systems. a lot of people in education were not happy with that at all. _ education were not happy with that at all, they wanted more continuous assessment. so we see where the system goes from here — but the splits _ system goes from here — but the splits between the haves and the have-hots — splits between the haves and the have—nots in education is greater tonight— have—nots in education is greater tonight than it's ever been. that cues us nicely _ tonight than it's ever been. that cues us nicely into _ tonight than it's ever been. that cues us nicely into the _ tonight than it's ever been. trust cues us nicely into the guardian. "nearly 45% are awarded top grades." if private schools have got more resources, maia, if they have smaller class sizes which they have, how to state schools catch up? it’s how to state school

jonathan, , mentioned, boris johnson and jonathan,, mentioned, boris johnson and rishi sunak, michael gove just one too many examples now, but this probably is unpopular, cop26, the work that alok sharma is doing, he's try to make sure that, essentially, agreements and decent conversations can be in place before the actually all go to glasgow in november, is extremely important and glasgow in november, is extremely importantand i glasgow in november, is extremely important and i would say it is probably one of the most part and things borisjohnson has to do is prime minister. he has to pull this off and actually has to makes some meaningful commitments and actually get people to sign up to sign up two things, so i think alok sharma's work on this is really important, but obviously the mail points out poor families flying back from mexico now face a realist hotel and thatis mexico now face a realist hotel and that is going to cost a family over £2000, £2000 for a red list hotel is so much money and that is such a terrible way to end your holiday. indeed. i am still struck by the interview w