so she was interviewed by former cabinet colleague michael gove and indeed katy balls, who's the politicalditor of the spectator. and of course has sat in these, in these chairs. but yeah, it started a conversation today at westminster, which reached the prime minister's official spokesman. and downing street were remarkably well briefed around all of this and quite keen, i think, to sort of lean into it a little bit. so we learned that the prime minister likes a tuna sandwich or occasionally a cheese toastie. i thought he was vegetarian. i think he's pescatarian. is he? — yeah, he eats fish. and then ed daveyjoined in by saying he does think lunch is ok, and his favourite sandwich is a bacon sandwich. but then i don't really think of a bacon sandwich as a lunch. but didn't kemi badenoch also say that sandwiches are a breakfast thing? and i would say that bacon sandwich is a breakfast thing. sandwich for breakfast. so we've got a bit confused. sorry i didn't. what i don't get is lunch. was for wimps, but she has a steak brought to her anyway, so it was — i think the wimp bit was about havi

i think not also 2014, when michael gove introduced the national curriculum, he erased any blacknessm. >> the curriculum was essentially whitewashed and its problematic black culture, black history, black achievement. it doesn't feature on the curriculum or in education hardly at all. the truth is not

i think not also 2014, when michael gove introduced the national curriculum, he erased any blacknessfrom from the curriculum. >> the curriculum was essentially whitewashed and its problematic black culture, black history, black achievement. it doesn't feature on the curriculum or in education hardly at all. the truth is not taught on britain's colonial past. >> is labour going to brainwash your kids? they're forcing your children into state schools and now they're decolonising the curriculum. >> plus , they've come here in >> plus, they've come here in solidarity to show how frustrated they are with this stupid inheritance tax and a lot of other things as well that are damaging british agriculture. >> now farmers are threatening a supermarket blockade. would you support them? >> and after £22 billion black hole, the government has inherited a £22 billion black hole in the public finances. we have inherited a projected overspend of £22 billion. >> oh, the true cost of ed miliband's eco lunacy has been revealed. it's £37 billion. so much for that black hole. i've got loads more on toni

political commentator esther krakue, journalist and broadcaster and charlie rowley former adviser to michael govebut just before i get to them, let's have a quick look where santa is on the tracker. central african republic. and he's going for nigeria. wonderful. 3.5 million presents. he's been a very, very busy boy. well, panellists welcome on this christmas evening. hannah good evening as well. thank you so much for joining evening as well. thank you so much forjoining us. thank you. much for joining us. thank you. esther, what did you think? did you see that original report? >> i did, i mean, i think of the three sort of reasons that you stated, the one that kind of jumped out to me as the most obvious is the relationships. you know, young people are getting into relationships, not starting families. if they're not spending christmas with significant others or their children, which we know fewer and fewer young people are having children because for various reasons, they can't afford it. they can't afford a home. fewer social bonds. and that's an obvious reason. and i think that's quite concer