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lawful, and it was appropriate. >> reporter: as the director of the nsa from 1999 to 2005, general michael haydeninny's boss. >> they may have a different view, god bless them. this is america, have a different view. i think it made america safe during a period of great danger. >> reporter: hayden says binny and drake were simply wrong, uninformed when they said the program was i willegaillegal. congress amended the foreign intelligence service act, and president obama, who reauthorized the law agreed. that makes drake as worried as ever. he believes president obama has used that power more aggressively than the democrat they accu person that was accused of shredding the constitution. >> if anything, the secrecy regime, expanded. >> far less transparent than the bush administration? >> actually, less. >> reporter: and they are fierce critics of the massive utah data center, saying it would have a nearly limitless capacity to pry into american's digital lives. >> the real question, what could they do with it? what are the controls, the oversight? >> reporter: we hoped the current director of the n

it was lawful and it was appropriate. >> as the director of the nsa from 1999 to 2005 general michael haydenrake and binney's boss. >> they may have a different view, god bless them, this is america, have a different view. i think it made america safe during a period of great danger. >> hayden says binney and drake were wrong, uninformed when they said the program was illegal. apparently congress amended the foreign intelligence surveillance act legalizing much of the surveillance going on and president obama agreed. that makes drake as worried as ever. he believes president obama has used that power even more aggressively than the man democrats accuse much shredding the constitution, george w. bush. >> i had private conversations people that used to work in the bush administration and their reaction is we he couldn't have gotten away with half of what the obama administration is now doing. the secretive regime has been expanded. >> far less transparent than the bush administration? >> yes. >> that is another reason why they he have become mass critics of the outside data center saying it wo

michael hayden led the effort in the days right after 9/11. >> hayden: i did it at nsa, george did it at... at cia. we... we all did it. it was a way to go out there and... and to get these capabilities into the flow infinitely more quickly than you would have been able to do had you gone through the government personnel system. >> narrator: in office parks near the nsa, thousands of private contractors-- many making much more money than federal employees-- help digest data. >> priest: this war was not a war that required a lot of tanks, a lot of fighter jets. it required information. and information flows in a different way and is... is analyzed by machines. >> narrator: exactly how much money the nsa was spending in the years after 9/11 is one of the government's most closely guarded secrets. the agency's budget, like it's work, is a state secret. >> arkin: well, have you actually looked at this building on a satellite map yet? >> priest: no. >> arkin: it's gigantic. i mean, it's... it's... >> narrator: in vermont, a reporter and former defense analyst, william arkin, spent years tr

former nsa and cia director michael hayden would not comment on the specifics of that report, but said snowden has caused significant and irreversible damage. >> i can't imagine a government anywhere on the planet who now believes we can keep a secret. >> reporter: the united states wants to stop the leaks by arresting snowden but tonight he remains out of reach. dan raviv, cbs news, washington. >> jeff: a dramatic sight in new york city today, a sightseeing helicopter plunged into the hudson river off manhattan. every one on board survived. scary ending to a tour of the big apple for a family from sweden. the tourist helicopter started from the wall street heliport, flew up the east river, circled yankee stadium before heading south. the weather was clear and winds light. >> it was a few minutes before noon when the helicopter reportedly lost power. the pilot was able to set intact. he also managed to deploy the flotation devices. michael, were you the pilot. >> yes, i was. >> you are the pilot. people are calling you a hero. >> just doing my job. that's all you do at the end of the d

. >> reporter: but the former director of the cia, michael hayden, says manning greatly harmed the national security. >> he put real people at real risk. >> reporter: wikileaks founder julian assange today called manning a hero as he said of the nsa leaker edward snowden. the sentencing phase starts tomorrow for manning. while it's doubtful he will be sentenced to the 136 years the charges call for, but it's likely he will spend a big chunk of his life in jail. >> martha, what does this mean for edward snowden. apparently he's still in moscow, leading crime and punishment. >> i'm sure snowden is watching carefully, but i don't see how they get him back to the united states to face the charges unless they make some kind of deal with him and no one seems in the mood to make any deals right now. >> martha, thanks very much. >> one more picture out of washington tonight. this one, president obama and vice-president biden in the oval office today surrounded by key players in a new american bid to broker peace in the middle east. these are the most serious face-to-face meetings for the israelis a

fiber optic cables the wall street journal adds in an interview air force lieutenant general michael hayden the n.s.a.'s director laughed when asked whether the n.s.a. had tapped undersea cables i'm not going to sit here and dissuade you from your views he said but he suggested that access isn't the problem rather he said the sheer volume and variety of today's communications means there's simply too much out there and it's too hard to understand again that was twelve years ago then the a.p. reports after nine eleven president george w. bush secretly authorized the n.s.a. to plug into the fiber optic cables that enter and leave the united states knowing it would give the government unprecedented warrantless access to americans private conversations not only. ad but also access to much of the world's conversations since huge swaths of global internet traffic pass through cables coming in and out of the united states in two thousand and six and eight hundred eighty whistleblower exposes the existence of n.s.a. monitoring hardware installed at a key internet hub right here in san francisco but

martha: very interesting, and strong words from general michael hayden there. is our fox news analyst. everybody is doing it. >> i think part of what this is that an outrage that a government has to have on behalf of its people. martha: in all of our diplomatic officers overseas do we assume that the europeans are bugging us? >> totally. every american president who goes every seas the only place thought to be safe is in the plane, in air force one. that's where they go to have their most secret meetings. martha: which is why, if i'm correct we carry physically the limousines from here to there. >> absolutely. martha: it was determined back in the 70s they were being bugged back in the liam seen. >> that is a dirty little secret that there are no secrets. we have to all understand that. it brings us a a second question. what has edward snowden done. when the said said some 28-year-old hacker i can't be bothered, he's done a lot of damage, not only has he revealed information to the chinese and russians about how we go about intelligence gathering but he's destr

saying -- >>brian: do you like michael hayden or not?lisyn: i think you guys very well articulated both sides of the argument. we would love to hear from you, where you fall on the edward snowden debate. you can find us all on twitter. >>> meanwhile the nfl said no promoting obamacare. the white house just enlisted a new group to push the president's plan. librarians. charles payne is here with details next. a golfer fires her caddy in the middle of the u.s. the middle of the u.s. open. [ female announcer ] it's simple physics... a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, staying active can be difficult. prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be

massive private -- profits for companies like booz allen hamilton, and the turn of group, for which michael haydena principle, it is all about the money. if you look at the concerted effort by many of these congressmen, the peter king's of the world, michele bachmann, to demonize my son come into focus the issue on my son and not talk about the fact that they had a responsibility to insure these programs were constitutional. >> meanwhile, guardian columnist glenn greenwald said that he would soon publish details to confirm the nsa contractor edwards snowden's claim that analysts can listen to the phone calls of any american or even read president obama's e-mails. >> we are publishing a story this week which clearly sets forth what these programs are analysts of the nsa are able to do. they have trillions of telephone calls and e-mails that they have collected over the past few years. these programs are simple screens, like the ones that supermarket clerks or shipping and receiving clerks do, where all they have to do is enter an e-mail address or ip address, and then it searches the database and a

we even saw michael hayden big knowledge that in an interview in australia recently.n order to function, the national security agency, cia, and so on, has to recruit people between the ages of 20 and 30. if they are technical, exposed to the internet, they have a certain view of what is just. they find in their jobs, the agency their work for do not behave in a legal, ethical, or moral manner. the writing is on the mall for these agencies. >> i want to quickly ask one more time, what does the verdict in the bradley manning case, facing 136 years in prison, what does that mean for you and wikileaks? you came up repeatedly in the trial. we know of a grand jury investigation of you in wikileaks in virginia. do you know if there is a sealed indictment for you, and what does this mean for your chance of getting out? withsed on conversations the doj, between the u.s. lawyers and the doj spokesperson, we know a lot. d.a.,cbride, the virginia probable than not, there is indictment, the result of their behavior. as this proceeds related to the manning case, we will continue to

. >> former cia director michael hayden was on a sunday show and had this to say about the point bob. >> number one, the united states does conduct espionage. our fourth amendment that protects privacy is not an international treaty. number three, any european that wants to go out and rend their garments with regard to international espionage should look first and find out what their own governments are doing. >> what do you think about the fake outrage like the french, how outraged they are there might be espionage. >> there are a couple things going on, because snowden is an american, putin calls him a dissident. if he was a russian, he would call him dessert for a bengal tiger. it is different than he handles people in his country. as for the french and germans and phony outrage, it is like a pitcher that scuffs a ball in sports. the other team will express display, but do it, too. everybody understands that spying exists, and without spies, what does the united states do. it protects bob beckel, not bore is becker. it is not a treaty. we should spin it so that we spy on you so we

former nsa director michael hayden also wouldn't confirm or deny the latest spying allegations, but heid suggest any europeans that are angry should look in the mirror before criticizing the united states. >> number one, the united states does conduct espionage. number two, our fourth amendment, which protects americans' privacy is not an international treaty, and number three, any european that wants to go out and recommended their garments with regard to international espionage should look first and find out what their own governments are doing. >> the head of the european parliament also reportedly demanded a response from the nsa about the alleged spying program. >>> another update now to a story we brought you on last night's fox report. today, justice anthony kennedy denied an emergency motion from supporters of proposition 8. the california voter approved ban on same-sex marriage. yesterday they asked the supreme court to stop issuing gay couples' marriage licenses in the state. justice kennedy turned down that request with no additional comment. prop 8 supporters say the suprem

joining me from washington is michael hayden, the former director of the n.s.a. and c.i.a. and is principal of the chertoff group. thank you very much for joining us, general hadeep. >> thank you, charlie. >> rose: what's your assessment of this verdict? are you surprised? >> no, not surprised at all. i mean he was convicted on several very serious charges and the one where he was not convicted of aiding the enemy-- although, clearly what he did aided the enemy-- the burden of proof on government was very high if to indicate that that was his intent. look, trials like this are supposed to bring to us some sense of closure. recent trials haven't done that very much, but i think this one is a just enough verdict. we should now move on. >> rose: okay, i want to talk about all of that, let me just stay with this. he was acquitted of aiding the enemy. what would have constituted aiding the enemy? >> i do think he aided the enemy, charlie. he put hundreds of thousands of documents, secret documents, appropriately classified documents out there in the public domain, and any sentie

last month, general hayden, michael hayden, former head of the nsa, former head of the cia, was on "meet the press." he said the following about these programs. listen. >> i think it's living in this kind of a democracy, we're going to have to be a little bit less effective in order to be a little bit more transparent to get to do anything to defend the american people. >> given the kind of support for an amendment to scrap these programs, do you agree with what general hayden said there? >> well, i'm not sure what point he was making there, but let me tell you this, i mean, i share the frustration of the american people, and that's what we saw happen recently. it was a collision of really bad, awful policies and ideas coming out of the administration. the data hub that would take social security and health information and other information, put it in one place. all of that is bad, and we should all be very concerned about it. the problem was this was i think the first opportunity for members who are frustrated about those things and the american public is frustrated about those things,

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meanwhile, former cia and nsa director general michael hayden says this is what spy agencies do. >> theydment protecting america's privacy is not an international treaty, and number three, any european thatments to rend the garments should look first and find out what their own governments are doing. >> so there. joining us now from washington, the heritage foundation's vice president of foreign and defense policy studies. gapless, thank you for being with us. what do you think of the latest turn where first, now he wants snowden out of the country. >> if the chinese and russians don't want him, there doesn't seem to be really any intelligence value there. the ecuadorians are not happy to have him. if i make a prediction, snow you know den could return to the united states. dennis: of his own or because he's candidate napped, brings him here against his will? >> because the choices are going to be living like tom hanks in the moscow airport forever or coming back to the united states, and he may well find at the end of the day, that's the best he can do. if he's counting on international

in the meantime, michael haydenned to face the nation he didn't know whether that report was actually>> starting today, state lawmakers approved the bill in may other countries allow same-sex marriages. >>> 400,000way area workers with bart, the city's public transit system have gone on strike in egypt protesters are demanding president morissey leave by tomorrow or they will march on his palace at least 1,600 were killed in clashes since sunday. president obama is showing off dance moves with crowds welcoming him in tanzania this morning. his last week stop. today he will top off with the president and visit a power plant one day after pledging $7 billion to combat blackouts in subsaharan africa. >> we will head to florida and you are hearing the voice analyst, let's listen. >> this concept of potential bias, you were talking in conject of having a scientist conduct what you call an unfamiliar voice or analyst where you don't know the supposed speak ear's voice before, right? >> yes. >> and, however, though, that happens in the voice lineup situation where you recommend to fbi acts.

>> retired general michael hayden headed both the nsa and the cia.ades of expeditious has given them experience on the profiles of the threat. there's a tendency to believe they're underappreciated or under financial profiling. cia ajensgent aldrich hanes and robert hansen. >> reporter: cbs news has obtained this video. it was made to warn intelligence officers. >> i'm special agent james and she's special agent kim. >> of what to look for if the threat of national security is the person sitting in the next cubeicle cubicle. >> these two most recent cases are a little different. they're probably doing it for this ideology absolute commitment to transparency. >> how do you screen against that? very very difficult. how do you monitor that? very very difficult. your threats are going to change. they're going to change based on technology, change based on incidence, challenge based on political incidents. you have to meet that change. >> snowden offer add bolded a bold new idea the ability to obtain hundreds of thousands of documents in a keystroke and t

michael hayden, a former nsa director told me in an interview, we consider this a home game for us.so much goes through washington where microsoft is based, why would we not make use of that? that has been the situation until now, that even though the target has always been an supposed to be for the nsa, foreign suspects, foreign threats to the united states, the nsa felt it had no choice but to monitor the traffic of companies that go through here. as more traffic moves to places like china, that is certainly going to be seen by the nsa and the intelligence community as an advantage. china and russia are companies that we keep track of. very closely. i think that is one of the great years right now, but so much about the nature of the program will be revealed that that advantage will accrue to the government in china, as well as russia. snowden is in russia right now. the reason to think he has been partly debriefed by them in terms of what they know -- what he knows. that is one reason why if he is arrested, no doubt in my mind he will be charged in much the same way that bradley

. >> bill: general michael hayden, former head of the c.i.a.ays he's the most dangerous guy he we've ever known. >> this is the most significant leak of classified information in the history of the republic. he put real people at real risk. >> bill: what do you say? hero or traitor? i hate to give you a political answer on this where i'm coming from. i don't consider him a traitor. not at all. nor do i consider him necessarily a hero. i think he's a classic whistle-blower who knew what he was doing, was logical to take the chances and i think we're better off because -- and know more than we should because of what bradley manning did. he did release 700,000 documents. they dealt with the war in iraq which was basically already over by the time he released them and they dealt with the war in afghanistan, the conduct -- and then some dealings with the state department with other countries. but i think the critical question here to me is what harm did bradley manning do? what damage did he do to this country? i can't think of anything. i don't thi

brian: the danger, too, is that he knows so little about the program overall that people like michael hayden have said, general alexander said, what he's letting out is portions of the program, just enough to hamper it. he doesn't know it enough to actually explain it. not only that, do you want everybody who signs allegiance to say i have top secret clearance, therefore you can trust me, to not be trusted? >> gretchen: and by the way, people can finally see clearly inside to our studio and see the back of your head because they're cleaning our windows right here. >> brian: really? fantastic. >> eric: didn't do you a story about that a couple minutes ago? >> brian: the thing about bill o'reilly's studio used to be ours. they used to clean the windows every monday, wednesday and friday in the middle of the show. >> eric: right. >> brian: and they would not adjust. so we moved the studio. they found us. >> gretchen: coming up next, using kids to sell obamacare. is it a good idea? >> eric: we told you about the duck unable to walk because of a bum foot. look at the duck now. it's walking thanks

obscenely expensive programs that drive massive products like companies and the group for whom michael hayden the money. they don't want to think about the southern border because 11 and a half million votes are tied to that. >> you also said you think that the votes that were cast on that issue were cast strictly for political reasons to save their seats in some ways. >> if we're speaking about people on the intelligence committees, yes. i need to give credit where credit is due. folks like senator ron white i have tremendous respect for his courage and the 205 members who did vote to terminate the program. >> i have to interject matt. there wouldn't have been a discussion if it wasn't for edward snowden. the fact that we had democracy at work is because of edward snowden. >> we have an nbc news wall street journal poll and 56% of the people in that poll said they are worried that these programs, the kind of programs your son exposed invade our privacy. on the other hand, only 11% of people support your son. what do those numbers tell you? >> well they tell me if you look at the concerted ef

michael madison is their main suspect. we know he is in custody, giving some information to police. madison was arrested on friday after the body of a woman, the first woman, was found here on haydenshaw. there was a standoff with police involving madison that ended at his mother's house. but then on saturday, two more bodies of women were found, one near the area where police are searching right now and the other in the base many of a vacant house nearby. all of these locations are extremely close together. today east clove land's mayor spoke about the safety of residents here and the fact that someone in the community brought police to this area on friday and helped make this chain of discoveries. as of right now, it is very intense situation out here. at this point bodies have not been identified. east cleveland police chief tells me they are too badly decomposed. we have also heard that these bodies may have been lying where they were for the last six to ten days. >> allison brown with our fox affiliate there. thank you very much. >> just a few miles away, a tornado ripped through an ohio college campus. that twister touched down at ursuline college. the tornado packing winds