also joining us, general mike -- general michael hayden. was the director of the nsa during the 9/11 terror attacks. he joins us on the phone from texas. general hayden, what do you think of corporations such as facebook meeting with the president today, right now, and it seems that their position is the nsa and the exploits of the other a u.s. agencies is hurting their business because they cannot ensure to their crop -- clients that their information is encrypted. >> there are >> layers to that issue. american industry has been terribly unfairly punished by this series of revelations coming out the last 10 months. american industry does not do unless it is compelled by law that other countries do not do in their own circumstances. , i think statistically, other countries demand more of local industries than we do ours. but is our industry that has been put out there by the snowden revelations and they are unfairly suffering for it. ifphil zimmerman, i wonder you can come in on this topic and describe if there is a negative effect on corpo

we're joined by retired air force general michael hayden who served as head of cia and national security agency and michael morell who is number two man at the cia last year now cbs news consultant. michael morell also served on the panel that made recommendations to president obama about what type of reform should be madet the national security agency after the revelations by edward snowden. gentlemen, let me ask you both i'll just start with you, mike, this situation on the border of ukraine right now what is your take on what putin is up to? >> i think you have to make distinction between capabilities of the troops there and putin's intentions. the capabilities of the troops would be to take perhaps third of ukraine if putin wanted to. but it would be very difficult for him to hold base what would happen very quickly is insurgency would grow up the troops would be intact. a very nasty situation, i don't think putin wants that. that brings us to the intentions. what he's trying to do is maximize what he gets out of this diplomatically. he thinks he's in a strong position, he wants to c

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michael hayden says there hasn't been much chatter associated with the idea of terrorism.if this were an act of terror, we would have heard something. >> former assistant secretary of defense, peter brookes, author of the book "a devils triangle." glad to have you on the show. >> good to be here. we want to couch this. we don't know. we are looking at all of the possiblies shall the theories here. if we were to take the route of terrorism being involved, give us an idea of the backing of that. what kind of terrorism groups are active in that part of southeast asia. >> after 9/11, there was some significant terrorist acts. remember the baly bonding. attacks on hotel. terrorist attacks against hotels in jakarta as recently as 2009. a lot of these groups are actually linked to all qaeda. so there are plenty of groups active in that part of the world. it is certainly a possibility. in addition, we have seen groups like iran active in there. we had that passport situation. but, last year in, in thailand, the ties arrested some iranians who had come through kuala lumpur and were

. >> julian, you mentioned michael hayden. there are people who said we need to make reforms.ounced the raft in january. what was your reaction to those? >> look, there is a real question about who is wearing the pants. it has been six months now since the edward snowden revelations started to occur. in that time, have we seen the commencement of the criminal investigation or anyone in the national security agency for violating law? the u.s. constitution? no. have we seen the firing of a single person associated with those breaches of the rights of american citizens and others as well? the answer is no. the single forced resignation? the answer is no. who really calls the shots in the executive? is it barack obama? is it the intelligence agency? from the outside, it is a worrying sign. we know when the government takes things seriously. we have not seen that. the question is does the civilian leadership have effective control of the 16 agency intelligence group under the dni? >> so, just to be clear, you see no positive evolution on the subject of surveillance from this admini

and c.i.a., general michael hayden.s n.s.a. program with the democratic administration, fresh off a republican administration. will these changes be something you can accept? >> i can, brian. here's the trade-off. we're going to have a little less depth with the meta data n.s.a. is going to be able to query. it is not going to be kept for five years. for some phone companies it is only a year and a half or so. but in return for that we're going to get a lot moreç breadth. under the other system n.s.a. was getting a third or less of the meta data on phone calls here in the united states and from the united states and abroad. with this system it's almost exhaustive, almost total that n.s.a. will be able to query this time through the phone companies the complete data base. on balance, this is probably a little bit better than an 80% solution. >> you're relatively pleased considering how bad it could have been? >> right. >> if people are watching right now -- and we hope they are -- and they're saying do they still have a

now, those two officials are michael hayden and keith alexander. >> he also ripped the director of national intelligence, james clapper, who some lawmakers have accused of misleading congress and denying the government was engaged in massive surveillance. >> we can't have officials like james clapper who can lie to everyone and face not even a criticism, not even a strongly worded letter. >> the white house declined comment, but president obama said clapper should have been more careful in his testimony and that the administration is trying to balance privacy concerns with anti-terror investigations. snowden argued the sweeping surveillance hasn't accomplished anything and cast himself as a lonely hero. >> i took an oath to support and defend the constitution. >> the man being applauded clearly sparked a national debate over spying, but snowden was making his case from vladimir putin's russia, which has a long history of human rights violations and just launched a military invasion of crimea. inconvenient fact that went unmentioned. >> thank you. >>> blade runner oscar pistorius involvement

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. >> nsa director michael hayden said, to call this spying is a reach.'t that sound like a yes? yes, we surveilled, but let's not call it spying. that's such a nasty, unpleasant word. >> right. and you know, the joke is, of course, the reason it's a, quote, reach, is because in order to protect the security of the documents they were looking at and at the same time conduct oversight, which is what do you with checks and balances, they were located in a secure facility in a c.i.a. reading room. so now the c.i.a. is saying, we didn't really spy on you because you were in our living room. but you were there out of respect for the need for security. any way you look at it, it's constitutionally, the c.i.a. was really pushing the limits. >> if the c.i.a. surveilled the committee computers, you point out in your column and just moments ago that it would violate the constitution's separation of powers. but, susan, would it constitute a crime of some sort? >> you know, gregg, i don't know. i'm not even sure that at the end of the day that would help because the

leon panetta, michael hayden, i served with both of those former directors of the cia.this kind of issue, they would have picked up the phone. they would have said, pete, we've got a problem, we've got to work through this potentially compromised sources and methods, let's find a solution. it never would have gotten to this point. it could have been avoided. cia director john brennan believes he needs to protect his sources and methods and his people in the cia. i thi senator feinstein, at least the republicans believe this is a partisan investigation so they haven't gotten on board. it's just a signal that there's a lot of deep problems going on here. >> it came to light last week that white house counsel katherine rum bler is trying to mediate. is that the right route to go, senator bayh? >> this lands in the oval office of the president's feet. john brennan works for him and he needs to maintain a relationship with dianne feinstein as an ally in the senate. so if she can serve as a good will emissary, i'm all for it. these are good people. we have bigger things to de

first off, general michael hayden who was the head of nsa when he decided to violate his oath of thenstitution and allow illegal wireless are tapping of american citizens, he had earned his spurs and become head of the cia. when the president, president bush at the time, decided he would make a clean breast of things and defend what he called an alternative method of her seizures, which now have become enhanced interrogation techniques, torture, he was going before the cameras in september 2006. general hayden hustle down until the rest of the senators what was going on. 4.5 years late about torture. what is the other thing that happened? this is significant. the head of army intelligence, but in a general who made his career -- which in a general who made his career of interrogation, he preempted the president and the pentagon and said "no good intelligence is going to come from abusive practices. i think history tells us that. i think the empirical evidence , hard last five years years, tells us that." ?? what is the point the point is the army and everybody else knew the number on

guests mark emmett michael hayden and michael morrell on president obama's call for limiting the collection of america's phone records. >>> it is time to show you some of this morning's headlines. the man in charge of security inside one world trade center has resigned. he left in the wake of numerous security breeches including a teenager's ability to climb the building 100 floors without detux. >>> piers porking signed off from his show last night. morgan thought the deadly shootings in aurora colorado and newtown, connecticut would prompt change. the bullies have help congress do nothing. >>> mill nons of jars of peanut butter were dumped in the river this week. the plant's trustee said it had no other choice when costco refused to take shipment of the peanut butter or allow it to be donated. >>> dr. dre and jimmy ie vine are putting money with their mouth is. >> hey, evan, we've got great news for you. >> you've been accepted to the academy. >> usc academy for arts and business innovation starts this fall. >>> videos are the new wave of things. all of the students applying had to submit

the first major step in regulating nsa after the edward snowden regulations, we are .oined by michael haydenas the director of the national security agency during the 9/11 terrorist attack and he then led the central intelligence agency from 2006 two 2009. a real honor to speak with you today. let me ask you what you think of the deal we are seeing come to fruition in the house? class it is not a bad deal. it is one i would be comfortable with. mike rogers suggested it would be 80% dilution. it is done to make people more comfortable and not to fundamentally change the nsa posses ability to protect the nation. goingomfortable with this forward. i think the agency will as well. class i have always wondered. as an american, you have got to balance individual liberty on the one hand with, on the other hand, total security. theel like the framers of constitution would have probably been in more favor of a shift toward individual liberty whereas people in the cia and congress today are in more favor of security. what do you think? make the time, you have to -- the decision. the fourth amendment t

martha: you heard michael hayden, former head of cia he says they will actually have access to more ofinformation that way. is that so. >> not more of people's information. let's talk about what the situation is. we need to deal with the issue of privacy. mike rogers and i have been listening to constituents and there was concern that the metadata being held by the intelligence community was really content information. that was not the case. notwithstanding that we came together with with the white house not to hold metadata anymore, yet when we need information to protect our country from terrorist attacks the fbi would go to the phone companies who hold data for phone calls and numbers and things of that nature. martha: right. >> not only are we changing the system, but we also are requiring the court review the what they call the reasonable articulable suspicion that someone, that the intelligence community would get, being concerned about a terrorist attack. let me give you an example. you have someone from yemen, a known terrorist, calling the united states. we want to know who he

let's talk about this with general michael hayden, former member of the cia.nk you very much for joining us this morning, sir. >> good morning. >> let's go through a checklist of what you believe are possibilities, probabilities or things that are more of a distraction. the chance this plane made a dramatic turn in course, do you believe that is a good suggestion at this point? >> it's certainly one of the high pothcys we should follow. seems we get one each morning. there seems to be some evidence. but, chris, we have to keep in mind, none of this is definitive. these are data points that seem to suggest one direction or another. they've all got to be checked out to see which of those actually leads to the truth. right now, isolated data points and a lot of theories. >> isn't it true that a dramatic turn like the one that is hypothesized could have been done by a pilot just as easily as auto pilot? >> i think that's correct. but again, we don't know. look, i learned in my old profession in intelligence there's a difference between a secret which is something

. >> but if you talk to guys like michael hayden, they think -- >> i think he's against this, againstugh we disagree a lot, he's wonderful human. mike hayden wants the government to have this. >> it's okay to spy on foreigners. but to spy on americans, that's the problem. >> right. >> judge, thank you very much. >> you're welcome. >>> coming up, it's the study the president probably wishnot happen. obamacare regulations casting us nearly $7 billion a year. its benefits cost 2 billion. something doesn't add up. we'll explain. i'll do the math in the break. >>> and these two don't usually see eye to eye. why is sarah palin actually encouraging hillary clinton to run for the white house? "fox & friends" back at the top of the hour. ♪ ♪e ♪ before he opened his first hot chocolate stand calling winter an "underserved season". and before he quit his friend's leaf-raking business for "not offering a 401k." larry knew the importance of preparing for retirement. that's why when the time came he counted on merrill edge to streamline his investing and help him plan for the road ahead. that's the