michael hayden. the author of a new book.d the age of terror. >> take you so much. general hayden is the only one. thank you for joining us. you side in a privacy versus security debate with apple. yet, today you are here with lots of privacy advocate. >> i do not see it as privacy versus security. all right. i actually think that america is a more secure nation. better our encryption. really legitimate. counterterrorism, etc. absolute justice. otherwise, strong encryption. i actually think you are trading off one to another. i actually think right now, it is a bad trade. the greatest future threats to american history is in the cyber domain. weakening cyber security. security questions over here. trish: does that mean you think that the fbi's payment of seven figures was wrong? >> in my book, as you mentioned, it is great. there is no black. there is no whites. there is an upside to the government paying. something that did not exist before. asking someone to create. what would otherwise be a tougher encryption system. there

michael hayden, the former director of the u.s. national security agency and cia was in wales. spoke to the bbc. in the bush administration, we worked very hard to reduce the prison population. we pushed more people out the president bush then president obama has pushed out. there's a general continuity that we want to get as close to zero as possible. we need to be careful. right now the american intelligence estimates is about 1/3 of the people we have released, either with certainty or likely have returned to some role in the jihadist movement. we should not the operating clockan artificial shot to end the camp for the presidential election. the opposition is bipartisan. there is something more fundamental. even president obama admits that after he has closed camp, he is going to move some of these prisoners to the united states. some of these prisoners are what we call forever prisoners. they are never going to be tried in there never going to be released. that does not clear up what really is the issue with guantÁnamo, the legal status of these people. not whether we keep

michael hayden joins us now and ethan kurzweil is still here.al hayden, thank you for joining us on this issue of encryption. given that you cited with apple, -- a formeron director of the fbi, who is saying that encryption is impacting investigations, what would your response be? guest: i sympathize. he has a problem. encryption allows people who would do us harm a safe haven for communication. security,e world of there are always trade-offs. one of the great threats to americans now is not just terrorism. it is cyber threat. jim clapper, the director of national intelligence, for the last couple of years has said cyber threat is threat number one. you have to be careful before -- legitimate reasons, do something that will make it difficult to be successful in a security sense. the bottom line is the government has a right to do this. i do not think there are constitutional issues. think, on balance, for security reasons, it is a good idea. , you hadneral hayden said in the past we are heading for a world of unbreakable sincerity -- security. -

you have interviewed michael hayden several times. >> i did. reason i got this story is because of the work of the government accountability project, and they deserve a shout out here. for 37 years, there been defending whistleblowers, advocating for whistleblowers, both in individual cases like this and helping to write things like the whistle protection -- whistleblowing protection law and push it through. i say in theings book's while this is a very dramatic story, we need to understand as citizens, we absolutely depend as a democracy on whistleblowers. we have got to know they can come forward. when whistleblowers come for, whether it is john crane were edward snowden or jeffrey weekend who blew the whistle on how big tobacco was lying about nicotine in our cigarettes, whistleblowers can make wars and. they can take deadly products off the market. otherhole range of things. i think whistleblowers do not get the respect that they deserve and that is what i was trying to do in his book. accountability project let me do that. amy: and the inst

. >>> also the former cia director michael hayden and new york knicks star carmelo anthony.mon? we'll tell you on "the real story" moments away. stay with us. >>> well, after a month in space, the spacex dragon capsule expected back on earth in a dramatic landing a short time from now. it is on its way back after delivering supplies to the international space station. live in our miami bureau with that, phil? >>? just about ten minutes, the spacex dragon cargo ship should we gin its dior bit burn and start entering our atmosphere for a splashdown almost exactly one hour from now. earlier tim peak with the european space agency released the spacex cargo ship from the big canada arm 2 and ever so gently the dragon floated away. the ship launched from cape canaveral last month which turned into a historic launch for spacex because it became the first time it finally landed its rocket back down and upright on its landing barge out in the atlantic. incidentally, just last friday spacex did it again in the early morning after launching a satellite bringing its falcon 9 rocket all

general michael hayden, former head of the nsa and dia weighed in on the debate and where we stand nowo american security is in the cyberdomain. we need to be really careful we could and cybersecurity even for the chittenden immediate security questions over here. reporter: of course, here at tech crunch at not all about security and privacy. it's also about the next big idea. venture capitalists coming to find those. carmelo anthony of the new york knicks is looking for what is going to come next for his venture capital firm. i asked him if the new york knicks for a startup, would he invest? >> absolutely, absolutely. new york is the greatest city in the world, biggest media market in the world. some of the greatest opportunities here are in new york in the world. of course i would invest in that. reporter: carmelo anthony not say much about the new head coach decision coming to the new york knicks. he also says he's not sure if he's going to be played on team u.s.a. when it comes to the real olympics because of sub six and has large concerns they are. you will make a decision in the

we have the assessments of michael hayden and general flynn who says they would sh disappointed if their former colleagues in the kgb and the chinese intelligence service hadn't hacked a wide open outlaw server. it's improbable. it's unbelievable that any first world foreign intelligence service wouldn't target an incredibly vulnerable server like that. >> let's go to the faction. if gus fer, the romanian hacker, in jail in romania for hacking, not our charges. but if he did hack, wouldn't the fbi be able to identify where he was hacking from and whether he did the hacking? wouldn't there be a physical location identification? >> absolutely, they can forensically walk it back. frankly, that's why he is sitting in a jail in virginia right now. they didn't extradite him because he had nothing to do. they brought him back to provide testimony about how he entered her server and what he saw there. >> there was a quote. i was reading the reports. he said it was like on open or kidd the ease with which he hacked her e-mails. >> he also said there are at least ten other entries or hacks by othe

in fact, that nsa director former that i just cited, michael hayden, said this, the fbi director, jimomey, is wrong. america is simply more secure, america is safer with unbreakable end to end encryption. now, i look forward to exploring the details of all of this tonight with you and mr. zakaria, but i can promise you, ladies and gentlemen, one thing, if i am standing shoulder to shoulder with a director of the national security agency on something, there's a damn good reason for that. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> you just heard our opening arguments. you will hear our closing arguments when we come back. we'll also tell you how you can see the entire debate. back in a moment. there are two billion people who don't have access to basic banking, but that is changing. at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time. the microsoft cloud helped us to bring bank

like former cia and nsa director michael hayden, who said in 2010, quote, "everything's secret.n, i got an e-mail saying merry christmas. it carried a top secret nsa classification marking." senator, on the advice of counsel, i can neither confirm nor deny whether or not the christmas in question was indeed merry. i can however say that it was neither holly nor jolly. [ laughter ] the only way a christmas e-mail should ever be classified is if it comes from osama bin laden. [ laughter ] hated america. [ bleep ] loved christmas. [ laughter ] but many transparency advocates say there's a double standard here. whistleblowers and lower level officials are often punished for mishandling classified information, while high level officials are not. as one advocate put it, "it's very clear that the highest levels of our federal officials don't believe that these rules apply to them. i think they absolutely should." as for the state are department report, it remains to be seen how this plays out politically, but donald trump tried using it against clinton on wednesday, even suggesting tha

his estimation about bob gates and michael hayden, all respected republicans who understand nationalecurity is that this is a reckless and dangerous guy. we had a situation where london just elected the first muslims to be the mayor of london, sadiq khan who's a accomplished professional and donald trump. donald trump said he would make an exception for the mayor of the london to come. london mayor had the exact response which is i don't want to be an exception. this is a crazy policy, we need people to be working together and not divided and that's what hillary clinton is about, not only bringing america together but bringing the world together to serve americans for an interest of better paying jobs and for a secured world. >> donald trump had been going after her for her records of libya's failed state and benghazi. brave americans who died there. she has a lot to answer for, does she, in term of what happened in syria and the civil war expanded dramatically under the obama/clinton foreign policy team. >> we have complicated times which she had acknowledged. she's the secretary of

they consider dangerous and grotesque, even michael hayden, the former head of cia, who happened to be a republican, he said that trump proposals are actually act as recruiting sergeant for isis. these are people on the republican side who are concerned about these proposals and policies. let me go back to another proposal that ignored in the media. they talked about the database to track and register muslims in america. i mean, this resembles what a prewar german policy -- >> let me ask you something. >> what will they did with jews in europe. >> you know the muslim ban in particular has huge support within the republican party, like two thirds of republicans are behind it. so to those including trump, who say the people want this, what say you? >> look. luckily there's voting process, two thirds of the republican party will go to vote and the country will decide who they want to lead them. however, i think we need a journalist to be very serious and explain to our audience on the right, on the left. to the american people how serious this issue is, and the backlash it would have beca

in fact, that nsa director former that i just cited, michael hayden, said this, the fbi director, jimomey, is wrong. america is simply more secure, america is safer with unbreakable end to end encryption. now, i look forward to exploring the details of all of this tonight with you and mr. zakaria, but i can promise you, ladies and gentlemen, one thing, if i am standing shoulder to shoulder with a director of the national security agency on something, there's a damn good reason for that. thank you very much. [ applause ] >> you just heard our opening arguments. you will hear our closing arguments when we come back. we'll also tell you how you can see the entire debate. back in a moment. if you have allergy congestion, muddling through your morning is nothing new. ...your nose is the only thing on your mind... ...and to get relief, anything is fair game. introducing rhinocort® allergy spray from the makers of zyrtec®. powerful relief from your most frustrating nasal allergy symptom* ,all day and all night. hasn't your nose been through enough already? try new rhinocort® allergy spray. m

be meeting with the foreign policy team with two former reagan national security advisors and michael hayden. a real foreign policy team and be here in washington. you'll see him soon. maybe on this network. >> staying in this race, right? not about to drop out? >> absolutely. he is in oregon all week. he's there doing well and going to move on to california and compete in the west. >> all right, guys. thank you very much. trent duffy, chath sweet. >>> donald trump looking to land a decisive blow but tirniurningk with a withering attack. senator bernie sanders is hoping to regain some momentum with a win over hillary clinton today in indiana. democrats are competing for 83 delegates. clinton leads, by the way, with 2179 and sanders has 1400. has about 41 super delegates for the republicans. 57 delegates are up for grabs today. trump leads the delegate race with 1,002. by our estimate, includes, by the way, 45 so-called unbound delegates. cruz has a total of 572. kasich trails with 176. let's go to the correspondent, chris frates from a polling station in indianapolis. chris what, kind of tur

general michael hayden has told fox news that he is certain she was hacked by russian intelligence agentschinese intelligence agents an even friendly intelligence agents like israeli. the fbi is certainly away of all that. if this "gucifer" fellow reinforces what the fbi already knows, gives them another area, another trail down which they can go they will look at it. they want to be very thorough before they ask the justice department to present evidence to a grand jury. but for mrs. clinton to say she knows she wasn't hacked, quite something frankly that is knowable to her. deirdre: judge, stay with me. i want to continue the conversation. we want to bring our viewers a quick stock check here. gopro up around 3% in after-hours trading. the company posting better than forecast revenue numbers members. sales plunging about 50% from year ago period. >>> well an american soldier stationed in kuwait suing president obama, saying the president bypassed congress in sending troops to fight congress. the judge, back with me on where he see this is case going. >>> a tech warning, do not enable yo

i spoke with general michael hayden. only person to have served as head of nsa and cia he says encryption of all things, is necessary evil. listen to this. >> i actually think that america is a more secure nation, better our encryption is. greatest future threat to american security is in the cyber domain. you need to be really careful, weakening cybersecurity, even for legitimate, immediate security questions over here. reporter: interestingly enough hayden saying he stands by, standing with apple in protecting privacy and yet he also believes in phone tapping and in data tapping and that is a legacy from his time in the white house. very interesting to see that here. it's a rare combination. not exactly what a lot of privacy advocates are going for, melissa. melissa: jo, thank you so much for that. david. david: unconventional strategy to win the white house to say the least. for the trump campaign it is ultimate reality show. can we expect a rendition of presidential "apprentice" at the convention? ♪ approaching medic

. >> former cia in an i say director michael hayden provides an inside look at national security. he's interviewed by james woolsey former cia director in the clinton administration. this is an hour. >> general hayden, mike first of all a very fine book. i enjoyed it a lot. let's start right off with a couple of interesting chapters in the middle, one about pittsburgh and your history of growing up there in the same neighborhood and the other about your family and what it's like to have family in espionage. i thought you might want to say a word about those before we jump into things like metadata. >> guest: first of all thank you. i didn't have a chapter on me in a book. i had the manuscript printed by penguin publishers. what about you? so i went ahead and put one together and they suggested i put it near the end. it all began on a dark and stormy night. it's tied to a speech i gave in 2007 after i was director of the cia to the graduating class. duquesne is my alma mater and i use that to pivot off of my pittsburgh experience and how i brought that with me to the cia. i mention

former cia director michael hayden mounted a full throated defense of the u.s.e program in a february 2016 new york times op-ed. hating claim, the targeted killing program has been the most precise and effective application of firepower in the history of armed conflict. annihilating the ranks of al qaeda. his claims his claims are impossible to verify without documentation. hayden also said, we kill people based on meta-data, you have probably heard about metadata when edward snowden, famous whistleblower revealed that the national security agency, the nsa was collecting meta-data on all of us. that is the phone calls we make, the sites we visit, the emails we make, and metadata. they are supposedly not reading or listening to the content, but are supposedly not reading or listening to the content, but just looking at this meta- data. so hayden said quote, we we kill people based on metadata, but it recently revealed that the nsa's skynet program, which uses an algorithm together metadata to identify and target terror suspects in pakistan, somalia, and afghanist

. >> now, former cia director michael hayden who is among those who briefed president obama after thers the imagination given that trump's public persona seems to reflect a lack of understanding or care about the global issues. how do you arrange these presentations to learn what are the true depths of his understanding? do you think this is a real concern? wouldn't you think the nominee of a party would have at least a basic understanding of global security issues? >> i was at a luncheon with general hayden last week in washington, d.c. he made it very, very clear that the national security of the united states has no political agenda, it is not republican, democrat or independent issue to be manipulated or certainly to be ignored. this information that he will get from the intelligence community is going to be vital for him to understand that this is the way the world works, and the world will not operate inside someone else's political bubble or inside their business world. so i believe that the intelligence community is going to give him what he needs as a candidate, and pretty mu

for that make sure you tune in later jo sitting down with carmelo anthony 1:30 pm eastern and michael hayden sharing opinions. >> they are horrible, no wonder you have so much time on hands. >> the world continues to talk about yahoo! potential purchase and melissa mayer does she stay or go? if there is a purchase a lot of tech that got one in front of me potential yahoo! buyer saying i cannot magic a scenario where we keep her. dagen: she is g-o-n--e out of there she is getting a huge separation package according to -- if she leaves the company, but she had a chance, you know, and i think that the deck was stacked against her a little bit because she was woman i think people quick to creative her to criticize her the company was on its back. >> i remember a few years ago when -- yahoo! took her on, she revealed after signed on was preth justified returned from maternity leave having twins. >> right you are following this story, and more no technology a lot of uncertainty. >> the people criticized her on issue of maternity leave for coming back to work for is her choice set up a nursery made

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general michael hayden says it's ea given, a given, that she was hacked by chinese agents, and probablysad. >> oh, goodness. >> judge, thank you so much. >> now we have somebody who can show the fbi how he did it. >> we don't know what the next step of the investigation is -- >> an investigation of her and then the investigation is over. and then the justice department decides when or if they're going to present it to the grand jury. >> you know, ben carson yesterday floated the idea of ted cruz as the attorney general to go after hillary clinton. now that donald trump is last man standing, some are starting to think about, well, who would he pick for vice president? terry holt was on with us earlier. he was an adviser to president george w. bush. his picks -- marco rubio, nikki haley and john kasich. >> haley said she's not the running mate, but said she will endorse. kasich said he's not interested in being number two and yesterday at the end of the interview with donald trump, he said i have spoken with marco rubio. i always liked marco rubio, and, you know, basically he hopes to wor

. >> cited former general michael hayde hayden, quote, it beg as the imagination given that trump's public reflect a lack of understanding or care about global issues. don't you think the nominee would have at least an understanding of global issues? >> he's expressed great admiration for vladimir putin. that's something that anybody who works for the cia, u.s. intelligence community generally is going to have a lot of heart burn with. how do you come in and say delicately and with respect to a -- your views may need to el involve a bit based on this person's leaders, actions, that kind of thing. >> it would be hard to correct someone like that but the facts are the facts. what about hillary clinton? there is that matter of her private e-mail server. are there concerns about secretary clinton and classified briefings, should she become the nominee? >> the e-mail issue hangs over her, and that gives a lot of people in the intelligence community some trouble. on the other hand, as secretary of state, as a senators, she was privy to hundreds if not thousands of classified briefings over a lon