from the ethernet when processed it is spoken for ways to would not wanted to speak former chief michael hayden alerts to us how it could be spoken for as of produced by a terrorist and then to get that pre-existing pattern and that signature if it fits with did that signature of the terrorist template you define yourself a the end of a the predator drone strake that has no target of a vacation of the groups of men who have certain signatures associated with terrorist activity so with this in mind we call people that the war of terror does the rest so with the strong program the strikes were targeted with a suspected individuals to their voice or their name the and the drone operator blocks sit on that individual but in 2008 following the frustration from the pakistan me state policy the u.s. the changes the guidelines that only could they claimed also have a database so although it does not publicly differed she retrieved the target of a strike one could be a spike in the frequency there were 49 strakes and 372 of those seven years betrayed 2009 and 2015 so to me we indexed every identified si

this is line riz za in a new new yorker piece about michael hayden. ?chael hayden the former head of the national security agency told me that he was convinced the meeting, this is at trump tower, was a classic soft approach by russian intelligence. while kushner claimed that the meeting was irrelevant, from a russian intelligence perspective, it would have been seen as a clear signal. at the end they have established that these guys are willing, hayden said, pausing, how do i put this, they did not reject a relationship." so congressman, you can see how maybe through ignorance or innocence or naivete, mr. kushner could have gotten caught up in something bigger than him. >> i think what mr. hayden said in that scenario is true. i think mr. kushner has said he regrets that this meeting took place under the auspices that he thought it was. the. the reality is again if something had come from this meeting or materials passed or subsequent meetings had been requested and if they had followed up in any way, we would be talking about something very, very diff

joining me now general michael hayden, a former director of both the cia and national security agency. man, a lot to get to. maybe a little bit confusing to viewers. the senate intelligence committee, house intel and all of that. general hayden, where is this investigation heading? because president trump who repeatedly denied any contact between the campaign and russians was contradicted by his son-in-law jared kushner. he had four meetings with russians. what's your take what we've learned? >> first of all, president trump, the trump campaign, the transition team, don, just took an absolutist approach to any sessions of contact with the russians. and they just simply said there weren't any. they didn't do any homework. there wasn't any great care, indicative of a lot of things that have been said by the administration. and now as you begin to peel this back, there turns out to have been an awful lot of contacts. which may lead nowhere. we've got to let the investigation take its course. it puts the lie to the fact there were no contacts. frankly, the more you learn, the more you're

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joining us former director of nsa and cia, national security analyst general michael hayden. you for being with us. >> good morning. >> the situation with russia, vladimir putin saying he will kick out 755 people who work for u.s. interests in the embassy staff in russia right now. how would you assess the current status of the u.s.-russia relationship? >> well, john, it's about as dark as it's been? several decades. i actually heard someone describe the russian view of the american administration right now as the president being gulliver tied down in washington, tied down by the little pugss. it looks like the president has cut his losses in terms of the hope of a dramatic change in the russia-u.s. relationship. it's interesting he took this step after congress passed the additional sanctions but before the president signed them. in other words, he's cutting out president trump from this current action, a little glimmer, room to maneuver for him in the future. >> what does that mean? it means he's not -- you think he's not holding president trump responsible. >> i think he's

the former director of the cia and nsa, general michael hayden.hank you for joining us. >> good morning. >> so, let's get to it. when you see these e-mails, what questions do you have? >> well, i think phil mudd actually captured it exactly. it's interesting, maybe even important what happened before, what happened after, but what's core is what's in the e-mail in black and white. that the trump campaign at the very highest levels, people related to the president at the highest levels agreed to accept a meeting from what they agreed to be a representative of the russian government who is volunteering their support to try to get donald trump elected president of the united states. that's very clear and frankly i think that's a game changing exchange in that e-mail chain. >> tell me about that. why is this after all the threats for all of these months, why is this one in a different category? >> it provides linkage from what, number one, we know the russians did. all right? that's a established high confidence judgment of the entire american intelli

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we are going to talk to retired air force director michael hayden of both the cia and ns sanc a. >> myessoned laerngearned fro e-mail it's. put aside what may or may not have happened whether information was transmitted is there was a clear sign the trump campaign welcomed assistance, however you describe it, welcomed assistance to help him defeat election against hillary clinton. not going to claim it's illegal. certainly not treasonous but it does display something the administration has denied its entire existence. >> a lot of donald trump insurgents made the argument that it is standard operating procedure it happens in all campaigns people look for opposition research and have meeting with all sorts of people. what's different today is whether or not she was from the russian government this lawyer donald trump, jr. met with her with the assumption she was a russian government attorney and that this information came from the russian government. >> right and that's an important point and there are distinctions talk to the new zealanders and australians about something and doing this

joining us now with his take is general michael hayden, former director of the cia and nsa. general, great to see you this morning. >> good morning. >> our understand of this meeting keeps morphing. it was not, obviously, pitched as something about adoption. that was the first story. and it wasn't just with a russian attorney. it turns out there were also some other people in this meeting. let's talk about it. a russian-american lobbyist, born in the soviet union, served as a soviet military officer, was also there, as well as as a translator, as well as this associate of this pop star, family representative. what do you make of what was happening in this meeting? >> understanding deepens, not just morphs, but deepens about the meeting. over the last 96 hours i've been quite impressed with a lot of former cia case officers, all of them with russian experiencing commenting on this is just how the russians would do it, were this a meeting that the russians wanted to use to establish this kind of influence campaign. it's almost classic. and that's been confirmed to me in privat

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in the quotation that begins the chapter former and sat michael hayden alerts us to how metadata canbe spoken for ask is, produced by a terrorist. that is was metadata can be compared against the pattern, that signature in the parlance of the us intelligence community and metadata fits within the signature of a terrorist template, one might find oneself at the end of a predator drone strike. his database attack is a signature strike. it's a strike that requires no target identification but rather an identification of quote, men who bear certain signatures or defining characteristics associated with terrorist activity but whose identities are known. we might choose to remark a bit more specific and call people out there algorithmic terrorists based on metadata, in the us. the argument of the us drone program in the 2000, the strike would target and intelligence officials identified suspected individual through their voice, name or on the ground reconnaissance. then a drone operator would launch a missile down to where the individual was believed to be but in 2008, following frustratio

. >> meanwhile, we compare that to what the former cia chief michael hayden said, calling it the most successful covert operation in history. >> if he doesn't take the conclusion of the intelligence agencies that russia meddled in the election seriously? >> i think the president should. i do think that the russians meddled in our election. i don't think there's much dispute about that, but i do agree with anthony scar much they there's nothing that they need to be pardoned because there is no evidence between the trump campaign and russians. >> well, what about those -- how can you say definitively because of the e-mails that were made public by don junior that would provide the opportunity that spoke specifically about -- >> right. >> a trade of information? >> i mean, what do those e-mails show? they show that some individuals who were russian may have been operating on behalf of the russian government reach out and said we have disparaging information about hillary clinton, and so the accusation was that hillary clinton was in cahoots with the russians, that she was maybe getting m

. >> i had general michael hayden on a couple of months ago and one of the things he said also stuckh me. he talked about the thin veneer civilization and we like to think that it's set in stone but it's really not. it really is this thin veneer. it really is that fragile. do you see it as fragile? >> oh, absolutely. if you've lived in the middle east as i did for nearly a decade, you really see how fragile it is. you know, we talked in the past once, i quoted a friend of mine from zimbabwe who said you americans kick around this country like it's a football. it's actually not a football. it's a faberge egg. you could actually drop it, you could break it. right now we're really just kicking around our country. the thing that people have to remember is that we are the world. i don't say that in a jingoistic way. i say that if there a sense that we have led the world on a more integrated global order, rules based since the end of world war ii. it's had its imperfections and ups and downs, but all in all it's been a period of great peace and prosperity for many americans and many around