we sat down with michael hayden, leon panetta, john brennan, jay johnson and madeleine albright. >> andhe russian investigation, the u.s. relationship with nato and the trump administration's threat to pull security clearances from some of those people we just mentioned. first up, our conversation with retired four-star general michael hayden, who ran both the nsa and cia. and we started by asking him about his new book, the assault on intelligence, american national security in the age of lies. >> i come at it with a three-layered problem. number one is cultural. and fun mentally that's the biggest one. it's us. the book is about us and our political discourse or lack of discourse, our distrust. that's anchored also on the lack of truth. post-truth world oxford definition, decision making based on feeling and preference rather than objective reality and we've gone to our corners, pledged allegiance to our tribes and data doesn't matter much. second layer, the president, who quite intelligently saw it, exploited it and now in office uses it and frankly i think worsens it. >> abuses it.

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ge mason university we host the michael hayden center for international security. i'm delighted to welcome you to the first event of this academic year. sequence, presidents and dissent. we are pleased to have general hayden as the member of the faculty at george's -- george mason university where he has been teaching for the past decade and he is a popular instructor in the international security studies, masters degree program which i suppose i should mention is our fastest- growing graduate program here at george mason university and recently received high ranking as the number three program in the country of which we are proud. a great turnout for the event says a lot about the importance that many have had to the issues and problems are distinguished panel will discuss this evening. i would like to recognize some of the people who were there -- here this evening. the former ambassador and former lieutenant -- lieutenant governor. >> thank you. several members of the george mason university visitors are here. we have a board of trustees member. i also acknowledg

james clapper, michael hayden rogers will talk about the relationship between presidents and the intelligencenity. live from george mason university in virginia, here on c-span. q&a, richardht smith discusses his biography of herbert hoover. >> is that accomplishment is all that matters. it is an unsentimental -- the sort of thing you would expect an engineer to say. that is one of the keys to understanding his life, his success in everything but the presidency. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span'

james clapper, michael hayden rogers will talk about the relationship between presidents and the intelligence community. live from george mason university in virginia, here on c-span. q&a, richardht smith discusses his biography of herbert hoover. >> is that accomplishment is all that matters. it is an unsentimental -- the sort of thing you would expect an engineer to say. that is one of the keys to understanding his life, his success in everything but the presidency. >> sunday night at 8:00 eastern on c-span's q and a. this 17th anniversary on terroristber 11, 2001 attacks, we are joined by the expert from the rand corporation. where are we on the war on terror? be a balance sheet of pluses and frustrations. we have succeeded in degrading the operational capabilities and plundered al qaeda. was of the territory that taken by isis has been recovered. truly degraded their operational capabilities, particularly their ability to carry out large-scale, ambitious attacks in the united states. they have been largely reduced to haveexploitation homegrown terrorists carry out attacks. in that regard,

director, michael hayden, and former n.s.a. director mike rodgers will talk about the relationship between presidents and the intelligence community. then we'll show today's ceremonies marking the anniversary of the september 11 terror attacks. on c-span, the memorial service from the pentagon. that's at 8:35 p.m. then president trump's remarks from shanksville, pennsylvania, at 9:35. over on c-span2, we're live at 7:00 p.m. with a program honoring the co-chairs of the 9/11 commission. then the reading of the names of those killed on 9/11 from new york city. next, some of the coverage from earlier today. on september 11, 17 years ago, the passengers and crew of flight 93 thwarted an attack by crashing the plane into a field in shanksville, pennsylvania. president trump was in shanksville today to remember what happened. ♪ >> good morning and welcome to flight 93 national memorial. my name is stephen clark, superintendent of flight 93 national memorial, one of over 400 sites within the national park service. the national park se

>> our national security analyst, general michael hayden. always good to have you with us.st of all, on this report in the "new york times"? >> there's something in there for everyone, isn't there? if you are a supporter of the president, there you have it. it's the deep state. what further need do we have of discussion. on the other hand, one could ask the question, how could a newly appointed attorney deputy appointed by this president that he would have to speculate about wearing a wire in the oval office to record a president. i think it's a reflection of perhaps the style of government we have. let me add one additional point that i think is more important. what you just played were tactical considerations. does he stay or go before or after the midterms? but at the strategic plan, now you have the institutions of the american government trying to hold their ground, in most cases trying to support the rule of law, but in doing that they are tempted very often to violate their own norms as a way of self defense and i think that's what played out here. >> you point out t

." >> now former cia director michael hayden and former director of national intelligence james clapper and former nsa director michael rogers talk about the presidents relationship with intelligence community at an event put together by george mason university. it's 90 minutes. >> good evening, everyone. thank you for coming. i'm mark result. service the dean of the schar school of policy and government here at george mason university, and we host the hayden center for intelligence policy and international security. i am delighted to welcome you to the first hayden center event of this academic year, secrets, residents and dissent. we are very pleased of general hayden as a member of the schar school faculty at george mason university where he has been teaching us for the past decade, and it is surprisingly a very popular instructor in our international session. [laughing] security, studies, masters degree program which i suppose i should mention is our fastest growing graduate program here at george mason university, and recent receipt of very high ranking from world report as the num

former cia director michael hayden issuing this morning. >> sooner or later, we are going to complete square with the president demand is so egregious. by the way, not beyond the president's authority here, it's just wrong that he exercises the authority in this way, that the right thing for them to do to signal the alarm, to send of the flare, is to simply say if you want this done, mr. president, it's going to have to be done by someone else. were going to be getting close to that point. >> marie: dan, i'm going to come to you. the actual question i want to start with his president trump gave an interview a few days ago where he was asked about these documents and if you'd read them and what he saw in them that was so egregious and he said i haven't read them yet. does that concern you he has ordered documents declassified that he hasn't read? >> dan: i'm not sure he hasn't read all of them he may have not read some of them. he's only handling north korea, potential nuclear war. doesn't have time to go through the 300 plus pages. the president of the united states as a candidate was

. >> general michael hayden, we appreciate your perspective. >>> we want to bring in our reporter and analyst, a white house correspondent for "the new york times." we just heard from general hayden, and he says chaos has been sewn. we were talking about how everybody we talked to this weekend wants to know who the writer is, and it's broken through to the people that work in the administration. when you have mike pence basically saying strap me up to the lie detrebgter rigector rig know there's something going on. watch this. >> should all top officials take a lie detector test, and would you agree to take one? >> i would agree to take it in a heartbeat and would submit to any review of the administration. >> do you think the administration should do that? >> that would be a decision for the president. >> the in a heartbeat has a special mike pence touch. >> the vice president has to go out of his way to say in a heartbeat i would take a lie detector. >> the white house thought it was a good idea in many ways. the reaction to the op-ed has really underscored the chaos. you had kellya

now former cia director michael hayden is echoing another former director trump credit, john brennan, the time when the community leaders need to stand up to the present. watch it. >> sooner or later, we are going to come to a point with the president demands is so egregious that the right thing for them to do, to signal the alarm, dissent of the flare, is to say "if you want this done, mr. president, it's going to have to be done by someone else. >> harris: the last 2 minutes, little bit of breaking news related to the story. sources are telling fox news that the wife of bruce ohr, a state department official at the center of the russian investigation, is refusing to talk voluntarily to house lawmakers. she worked on that gps dossier. the justice department, his wife, nellie ohr, now saying "i'm not going to step up and do that. that deposition voluntarily." what does that mean to you? >> tom: that shows there are still people who are resisting transparency, here. the president ordered the other day, basically, directing the government to make public a lot of these documents is a blo

we sat down with michael hayden, leon panetta, john brennan, jay johnson and madeleine albright. >> and u.s. relationship with nato and the trump administration's threat to pull security clearances from some of those people we just mentioned. first

. >> that was michael hayden reacting to the call from the president to declassify tu clac documents related to the russia probe. a move trump feels will vindicate him, but one that goes against the direction and advice from top national security officials who fear that it would compromise sources and methods. and as we mentioned, trump's war with the fbi reached a new level today when he said asked what he thought the outcome of his long running fight with the fbi, how it would look, the president said i hope to be able to put this up as one of my crowning achievements, that i was able to expose something that is truly a cancer in our country. i don't know that there have been many comments more disgraceful and abhorrent from the president. these are men and women who die running into crime scenes who put their lives on the line to protect us from another 9/11. i'm speechless. >> yeah, and to your point, these are member and women who often investigate those who want to cause farm harm to donald tr chlsz. he wants to declassify only select material, so that is first exposing evidenc

. >> general michael hayden, appreciate it. >>> want to check in with chris cuomo for what he's working> that was a good take from the intelligence perperspective. we have a congressman who supports the trump move. and our big take will be on the news you broke on your show, anderson. this has changed everything. to hear professor ford say, i will testify but there's a major condition. and it goes exactly what the gop does not want and exactly what the democrats do. we'll take you through all of the permeations that can happen between now and monday and beyond. >>> up next, on the hour's "360" exclusive. it's america's most popular street name. but allstate agents know that's where the similarity stops. if you're on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the washoe zephyr could damage your siding. and that's very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. but no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. now that you know the truth, are you in good hands? we distributeus, i'm the owner e

joining me now, former nsa director and cnn national security analyst, general michael hayden. general hayden, is this an issue of national security? >> no, i don't think so. certainly not within the four corners of the anonymous op-ed, anderson. look, i willingly concede the president has legitimate administrative, political, and even policy reasons to find out who this individual is. but this is not a question of law or a crime or national security. and, anderson, if i can suggest, i frankly think the white house is looking through the wrong end of the telescope here. >> how so? >> well, if you got the woodward book and all of the anecdotes in that and what's been revealed in the op-ed, we would define this as a problem of command climate. when you have so many people seeming to be disloyal to the commander's intent, we would say, we've got a problem with the unit. and command climate is a function of command. so i think the white house should be focusing at least as much on introspection as it is on investigation. >> that this is -- i mean, that in any rational organization,

general michael hayden said this.he next time the president talks about disrespecting veterans. that's a flag at full staff a day after john mccain died. is hayden right? is this going to follow him? >> it ought to. i'm sorry. >> this was the virtual patriotism that donald trump wants to exploit as opposed to the real patriotism that he showed so much disrespect for earlier in the week. but, you know, as a cultural wedge issue, this is irresistible to him. i can't help think of rick wilson's book, everything trump touches dies. i love the nfl. i love the green bay packers. i want to have a season where i can step away from politics and not have it be polluted by this kind of -- this kind of cultural warfare. but in the trump era, there's no escape. >> well, let's remember why colin kaepernick was kneeling in the first place. and also remember why americans revere athletes. they are role models and people look to them to use their platforms for good. and what better good is there than to draw attention to the fact at t

. >> i have spoken to general michael hayden on this program, what he calls the thin veneer of civilization. he talks about sarajevo being a multicultural society that fell apart very quickly. he talks a thin veneer that the institutions we have are strong on bedrock but things can fall apart very quickly. are you scared about that, the future of democracy in america? >> i believe that our institutions are strong, and internationi believe very deeply that is required now are not the institutions. we have the institutional structure. remember, anderson, many of us are veterans of the 1968 to 1973 period. i mean, we suffered the assassinations of -- >> you write about this in the book a lot. >> robert kennedy, correct. and i talk about this in the book. it's an amazing journey that our country has taken over the last 70 plus years with the end of world war ii and the world we have built around a set of values since that period of time. but all of the sudden, that is all being thrown into a mixer. and the test now is for our institutions to stand up. and how do they do that? they do that throu

hayden,r: now, michael and michael rogers talk about presidents and the intelligence community at an event put together by george mason university. minutes. >> we'll get started in just a you.e, thank >> thank you for coming. am mark roselle. i serve as the dean of the school of policy and government here at george mason university michael hayden center for intelligence policy and international security. i am delighted to welcome you to the first hayden center event of year -- secrets, presidents and dissent. we are pleased to have the general here as a member of the here at george mason university where he has been teaching for us for the past decade. he is surprisingly a very popular instructor in our international security studies masters degree program. mentionsuppose i should is our fastest growing graduate program here at george mason university and recently received very high ranking from "u.s. news and world report" as the number three program in the which we're very proud. the great turnout of this event says a lot about the importance that many attached to the issues our di

." >> now former cia director michael hayden and former director of national intelligence james clapper and former nsa director michael rogers talk about the presidents relationship with intelligence

also at 7:00 p.m., former director of national intelligence james clapper, michael hayden, and former nsa director michael rogers talk about the relationship tween presidents in the intelligence community. we will be live from george mason university here on c-span. historianht on q&a, richard smith discovers -- discusses his biography on george hoover. >> who said the congressman is all that matters? when you stop to think about it, it is unsentimental. disorder think you would expect an engineer to say. it is key to understanding his life and success, everything but the presidency. next, a look at the cyber security threats in the aviation sector. federal officials and industry representatives testify at a subcommittee hearing last month. it is about an hour and a half.

[laughter] and so thank you, general heyed pen, for oversees the creation of the michael v. hayden center for intelligence, policy and international security. dissent is always uncomfortable for people many charge. in charge. it can cost you a point or a game in a tennis match, you can get ejected from a baseball game, you can be held in contempt of court. but dissent is essential in a democracy, especially the incomed descent of -- informed dissent of those facing the issues before us. finish he served in a whole variety of positions throughout our intelligence community and all over the world. he served in the air force, retiring as a four-star general. he had assignments with the air intelligence agency, the u.n. command, u.s. forces korea before being appointed director of the national security agency in 1999 and director of the cia where he serves from 2006-2009. so he knows quite a bit about the internal workings of the intelligence community, the accountability of the intelligence on which the discussion will focus tonight. before i hand over the stage to general hayden thou

former national intelligence director james clapper, former cia director michael hayden, and former nsadirector michael rogers talk about the relationship between presidents and the intelligence community. and today, of course, marks the 17th anniversary of the september 11th terror attacks. we'll show you all of today's ceremonies commemorating the events of 2001 tonight in primetime. on c-span, we'll show you today's events from the pentagon, beginning at 8:35 p.m. eastern and will follow that with president trump's remarks from shanksville, pennsylvania, at 9:35. on c-span2, we're live at 7:00 p.m. eastern with a program honoring the co-chairs of the 9/11 commission. tom kane and lee hamilton. and then today's events from new york city. >>> sunday night on q&a, historian richard martin smith discusses his biography of herbert hoover. >> hoover said when all was said and done, accomplishment is all that matters. which, when you start to think about it, is a rather unsentimental, the sort of thing you would expect an engineer to say, and that's one of the keys to understanding his life

live at 7:00 eastern on c-span, james clapper, former cia director michael hayden, and former nsa directorionship between presidents and the intelligence community. and today marks the 17th anniversary of the september 11th terror attacks. we'll show you all of today's ceremonies commemorating the events of 2001 tonight in primetime. on c-span, we'll show you today's events from the pentagon, beginning at 8:35 p.m. eastern. and we'll follow that with president trump's remarks from shanksville, pennsylvania, at 9:35. on c-span2, we're live at 7:00 p.m. eastern with a program honoring the co-chairs of the 9/11 commission. and then today's event from new york city. >>> sunday night on q&a, historian richard norton smith discusses his biography of herbert hoover, an uncommon man. >> hoover said when all is said and done, accomplishment is all that matters. when you stop and think about it is, is a rather unsentimental sort of thing you would expect an engineer to say. and that's one of the keys to understanding his life, his success, in everything but the presidency. >> sunday night at 8:00 ea

congratulations to the michael b hayden center for intelligence policy and international security. it is said that it is always uncomfortable for people in always uncomfortable for people in charge. you can get ejected from a baseball game. you can be held in contempt of court. but dissent is a form of democracy. doesn't need a much introduction. ofserved in a variety positions throughout our intelligence committee and throughout the world. he served inhe served in the air intelligence agency, the u.s. command in korea, before being appointed the national director of security in 1999 and director of the cia where he served from 2006 2006 to 2009. he knows quite a bit about the intelligence community. before i hand over the stage, i want to take a moment to remember the significance of day, september 11. we persevere, 17 years later, thanks to those who keep us safe. our servicemen, intelligence responders, and so many others. thank you to general hayden and larry pfeiffer. i look forward to this the grist discussion. -- to this vigorous discussion. i give you general hayden. [appla

hayden,r: now, michael and michael rogers talk about presidents and the intelligence community at an event put together by george mason university. minutes. >> we'll get started in just a you.e, thank

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live at 7:00 pm eastern on c-span, james clapper, former cis director michael hayden, and michael rogers talk about the relationship between presidents and the intelligence community. today marks the 17th anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks. we'll show you all of today's ceremonies commemorating the events of 2001 in prime time. today's events from the pentagon beginning at 8:35 pm eastern. and we'll follow that with president trump's remarks. on c-span 2, 7:00 pm eastern a program honoring the cochairs of the 9/11 museum and lee hamilton. and today's event from new york city. >>> bob woodward was our washington journal guest monday at 7:00 am eastern, talking about his new book fear trump in the white house. then former independent counsel ken staur joins us -- starr to discuss his new book. >> c-span was created as a public service by america's cable television company. and today we continue to bring you unfiltered coverage of congress, the white house, the supreme court. from washington dc and around the country. c-span is brought to you by your cable or satellite provider. >> a ma