to the issue of whether they are redundant, michael hennessey can provide testimony that relates to the charges. is not clear how the key hennessey, her testimony is in any way relevant. on page four of the list of fact witnesses under vicki hennessy, she testified about the role of the sheriff. the role of the sheriff again as the conversation we had about paul henderson, that is not relevant to the actual charges and as to the actual charges, there are no actual counts. it is nine pages of a narrative save it. what would request the production of a bill of prison -- particulars as to what exactly the charges are so we can defend against them. and the mayor and city attorney can say what -- which charge the witness would allegedly testified to? on tiki hennessy, i am fine with the suggestion of commissioner hayon. the prejudice of having vicki hennessy is not high. if she is going to testify on the matters that are listed here. i agree. i do not think it is relevant. i am in the minority on that. if the mayor wants us to submit a declaration, we shall allow it and we can evaluate furth

. >> had michael hennessey already vacated the office you were going to move into? i mean the physical office. >> no. chairperson hur: counsel, if this is a good breaking point, we are at about 9:00. >> it is as good as any. chairperson hur: sheriff, i caution you that you are still under oath. we ask that you not discuss your testimony overnight, because you are still on the stand. >> i understand. thank you very much. chairperson hur: the witness is excused until tomorrow. counsel, if we could do a couple housekeeping things? typically, we would expect the exhibits that you planned to use with the witness in advance. i mean, you could pass them every time, but it probably disrupts your examination more than necessary. >> we brought them last week, but we did not think they were needed. we will bring them tomorrow morning. can you bring them tomorrow? >> we should be able to do that, yes. >> how much more time do you think you have? we have to figure out the schedule for the remaining witness tomorrow. >> how long do you think we have been going so far? >> almost a

think that he has more expertise about what it takes to be the sheriff of san francisco then michael hennessey >> objection, relevance. improper testimony by counsel. this is beyond the scope of both the mayor's declaration as well as the disclosure of what they were going to ask mr. lee about in their disclosure of witnesses. >> i am not sure exactly the basis of the objection. >> that was beyond the scope. >> beyond the scope, i am inclined to overrule beyond the scope. the sheriff could call the mayor into taking -- to not require the mayor to appear twice. i think we should allow it. i think the mayor brought it up in one of his answers. i will overrule the objection. >> could i ask if we did have the question read back? >> would you like to ask it again? >> do you think that he has more expertise about what it takes to be the sheriff of san francisco than the ex-sheriff mike tennessee? -- tennessee. >> i think they have equal weight. >> why is that? >> because they both have extensive background in law enforcement. >> he has never held elective office, correct? >> objection, foundation. >

>> about michael hennessey. we are trying to work up a scheduling issue. chairperson hur: while we are on it, that is on my list. what is his status? >> as i discussed on a conference call, the sheriff and the seat is more than willing to submit to cross-examination remotely. however, he will not appear in person, primarily because he has a family member who is severely disabled, for which he is responsible, and he is currently living 3.5 hours away. we have offered repeatedly to make him available for remote testimony. chairperson hur: is he available june 19? what is your view on this? >> i do not know the availability of care givers for this issue. to me, experts are a little different than regular witnesses. the party hires them and retains them. one of the jobs of an expert is to show up. for me, i do not think it is right or fair for him not to show up. i think it is very difficult to cross-examine an expert, where you are going to be using a lot of exhibits, while they are on television. from our standpoint, we would really like to see him here. cha

michael hennessey, the mayor, ms. lopez, mr. merton, and ms. williams. during have that correct? >> i do not think the -- we need to hear from a share tennessee. >> i thought you did. >> i was filling out the list. he probably would not be on the list. we do have our subject matter experts. chairperson hur: what is ms. williams going to offer to us that is relevant to any of the charges? >> we expect ms. madison's credibility to be attacked. ileana lopez told a consistent story. the fact that ms. williams is telling both of these witnesses a similar story career breaks m -- corroborates ms. lopez's story. areas important that her testimony be heard on that matter. -- is important that her testimony be heard on that matter. chairperson hur: what is she going to say that is related to the dissuasion allegation? >> she received either e-mail or text messages telling her to not go to the police, what i told you earlier was confidential which is different from the conversation she had with ms. lopez at 1:00 p.m. >> what is the connection between the statements and the allegations agai