michael howard who mentioned earlier, studying more and so society. studying the system of war and society. it does concern me. those that will lead us in the next generation need to know something about war. need to know something about international relations. they will have to deal with issues involving those. >> to return to our team of the relationship between war and relationship, the history had ended. it meant that the guy elected, d with the triumph that was a naturalistic state. we would agree with this. you give a riveting description of the battle. you quote the need for our audience. from this place and this day forward, the history of the world, present at its birth. would you just described what he was writing about? >> it was actually one of those historical events that does not deserve the attention and symbolism. it was a clash of arms between the french revolutionary troops in 1972 and invading forces from who wanted to strangle the french revolution as soon as i possibly could. forces coming into germany, they were pressuring. turn

because michael howard was my mentor benefits phrases we use the word peace far too much the greatestmichael was among many included the president's counsel formulations and many others think that we are living in such dangerous times because stability is out of the window we are living in very unstable times in their uncertainties during the cold war that have vanished you find a lot of senior military people almost tinker for they certainties where you can predict that the soviet union might do with the stage but today there are huge uncertainties in the world looks dangerous and frightening place but statistically international mobilizations are coming up with statistics showing more people die by violence in each year but i do think these are very dangerous times. and stability is very elusive in the world in which we now exist. i think we have to tread extremely carefully. but i forgot the first question. host: world war ii? >> yes. i think most historians agree you have to look at world war ii as an extension of world war i because it was a long german war. on the other hand i s

photographs and good -- some are british best historians at the time wrote for them including sir michael howardnd also sir john keagan and i was wondering if sir john keagan is famous for the book the face of battle which talks about -- many historians have said it's the first book by a military historian to emphasize the common soldier as opposed to the generals and the tactics and everything and i wondered what your opinion of that is, thank you very much. >> thank you, david. >> i totally agree. john keagan was a friend of mine. he changed the way that we look at military history. but military history before john was overwhelmingly about which division went this way and which division went that way. on the face of battle which although john is now dead for quite a while and you wouldn't thank me for saying this. it made us think about the reality of what war is like and instead of just thinking of it in terms of numbers of which division went what way, all of us who have followed john, writing about the history of war, which i like to say i write about history of war and not military history

in like michael howard maintained at one point. >> i am very sympathetic with that point of view but if you try to get the essence we all have different definitions but i'm trying to distinguish between random violence or a canadian hockey game. this is an organized violence. what i'm trying to get at that organize groups who make war have some sort of thing that keeps them together or a goal and there is a blurred line between large-scale gains to make money as a crime that may have more political preferences. we saw the same in northern ireland with a hard man on both sides slipped over into criminal activities that had a larger goal in mind. so the notion that you try to do something with whatever force you have not just to have more illicit goods. >> did you acknowledge there is some historical factors demography or geography or technology in those epidemics that are not altered or transformed in decision-making? but you write so powerfully about the historic and cultural consequences of war if they defeated the greeks supposed charles had been defeated if the ottomans had succes

michael howard maintained that at one point. >> i am very sympathetic to that point of view but it seems if you're getting at the essence we all have different definitions i was trying to distinguish with random violence from a canadian hockey game this is not organized violence although there is quite a bit involved in what i'm trying to get at with the english political theorist that organize groups who make war have some sort of thing that keeps them together like a goal and there is a blur of lines between large-scale gangs who would use those criminal methods to have those purposes and then to say on —- see the same thing in northern ireland where the hard men on both sides fighting on both sides slipped over into criminal activities and they had a o larger goal in mind. i'm trying to get out the notion that you try to do something with all the force that you have and not just to sell more illicit goods. >> did you acknowledge that there is broad historical factors of democracy plagues and epidemics that are not altered or transformed by political decision-making? in this book you w

an the idea that you can have a war and i have a state predict her dearly printed michael howard maintained that have been point. see tip very synthetic to badness implies very much in a point of view but you try to get at the essence of war, we all have different definition but i was try to distinguish it from random violence like something you might get a brawl at a hockey game ordi affable game, that this to me is not organized lots of violence involved in what i also try to get out and i think that we english there is to set this organized group who make war have some sort of saying the keeps them together, the goal and i would say there's a board large mind i would often use it often make them many of the crimes might have multiple or more political purposes than just making money out of crime. the same thing in northern ireland where it decides, hard men on both sides, they were fighting on both side's, they went forward into criminal activities. but they had a larger goal in mind and what i'm trying to get out is thisn notion is organized for the sole purpose and it trying to do some

pictures and photographs and some of british best sister in to the wrote for them including sir michael howardohn keegan and i was wondering if sir john keegan and his book the face of battle which talks about the many historians have said it's the first book by a military historian to emphasize the common soldier as opposed to the generals and the tactics and everything. i wonder what your 10 enough that is? thank you very much. >> host: thank you david. >> guest: i totally agree. he was a close friend of mine and he changed the way that we look at military history. military history was overwhelmingly about which division went this way in which went that way. he wouldn't thank me for saying this but it remains his best and most influential book and it made us think about the reality of what war is like instead of just thinking in terms of numbers. i think all of us who have followed john writing about the history of war which i was like to say i write about history of board and not military history we all owe a debt to john because he showed the way. i think his book, i reread it quite recent

we are joined by michael beschloss and howard dean. he also wrote in the liberal "the nation" magazine, given that, i turn to you first, governor, your thought on what you and i discussing and what she flagged and what seems to be between some of the people who really shaped our foreign policies and where the public is as they look at what president biden did making this hard call. >> maybe including the three of us and everything else you quoted including david, we are all apart of inside the bubble. >> me too. >> i always say washington is middle school on steroids. this is the kind of talk that gets people tired of reading "the new york times." this will be a non issue in five or six months. i call for getting out of afghanistan. i support george bush when he went to afghanistan because i thought we needed to get after osama bin laden and a group that was hired sheltering terrorists. we botched this war right from the bush administration through the biden administration, we made deals with corrupt war lords and politicians. we pick

howard dean, and historian, michael beschloss. governor, dr. of the things you and i discussed repeatedly but for good reason is governor desantis in florida. it is late august. people are busy, getting many different stories. one of the things people may or may not have caught was rebuke he got by a judge over the mask battle in the schools. florida increasingly looks like the example of what not to do. the hospitalization and death rates in the past moving average of the past week are the worst anytime in the crisis. turning to you as both someone that practiced medicine, made health policy calls as governor, what is it important for americans to understand going forward about what we can learn from different places when it seems like covid is not going away. >> first of all, certainly isn't. delta looks more problematic every day because it is so contagious and because of the enormous number of nobody under 12 vaccinated, major, going to be a major problem opening schools and already is. we've already had to close a school partially in vermo

howard herman. bishop michael curry. >> did you thank you would get one amen?the amen in their eyes. [laughter] some might argue black church is the firstk black theater music is everything gospel music is a shiny presentation. >> entertainment shouldn't be in the church who do you think the preacher is? that is entertainment. [laughter] >> the african-american churches 80 through 90 percent women but the leadership is through 80 or 90 percent male there is a price to pay. >> if you say you are born this way then you tell god you are a liar. we are a testament to the goodness in the grace of god everything in the world has tried to kill us. >> so the place where people made waves out of nowhere and we were told to look back and wonder how we got over. we call it the church. wow. let me just say to any of our listeners and watchers today if youd have not seen that series you need to see that series it is intended with the book it is so powerful, skip. >> thank you. sorry to get ahead of myself. but this idea toki look at the history of the black church through m

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howard thurman. >> presiding bishop michael curry. >> did you think you were going to get one amen out of those ? i learned how to see a man in their eyes . some might argue black church is the first black theater. the role of music in theblack church is everything . >> how do you define gospel music?? >> it's the presentation that talks about the majesty of jesus. >> entertainment shouldn't be in the church, what do you think the preacher does ? that's entertainment. >> the african-american church is 80 to 90 percent women but the leadership is 80 to 90percent male . there's an awful price to pay when you say that your a loving person. >> if you say you wereborn this way you're saying god, you're a liar . >> we are a testament to the goodness and grace of god. everything in the world has tried to kill us and we're still here . >> christ says i made your race and i've made no mistakes. >> he was our ball in gilead, the place where our people made way out of no way. >> we call it the church. >> wow. let me just say to any of our listeners, watchers today if you havenot seen that series, you need t

police officer jeffrey smith and howard liebengood also took their lives. joining us now, michael officers took their own lives. but we talked about the january 6th insurrection and the impact hit on your mental health and other officers. how big of a struggle is this for officers? >> i mean, i think it's -- it's -- we're experiencing what i would describe as an epidemic, law enforcement suicides, it's a big problem. >> it's not just that, also. it's this. it's the denial of what happened to you by the very -- some of the very folks you saved. i want to put up this video. this is video, it shows how you almost died on january 6th. some republicans -- we don't have to play. you know what some republicans have said that day, mike. the denials. it's having an impact on officers' health, no? >> it certainly had an impact on my mental health. having experienced the strtraum that i did, and having deny its reality. but law enforcement is an incredibly difficult profession. we experience people at their worst almost all the time. and you know, one of the things that i think has really br