to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest michael hudson in new york he is a professor of economicst the university of missouri kansas city and author of through give them their debts and in bangkok we're joined by steve keen he's a crowdfunding professor of economics on a tree on as well as a distinguished research fellow of the institute for strategy resilience and security of university college london gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i always appreciate it ok let me go to michael in new york you know this just term the new normal is bandied about and what really worries me is that the people that use the new normal where it's a normal that is beneficial to them ok and they're not particularly concerned about it ok because i hear more.

to discuss this and more i'm joined by my guest michael hudson in new york is a professor of economics at the university of missouri kansas city and author of through give them their debts and in bangkok we're joined by steve keen he's a crowdfunding professor of economics and as well as a distinguished research fellow of the institute for strategy resilience and security of university college london gentlemen crossed up rules in effect that means you can jump in anytime you want and i was appreciated ok let me go to michael in new york you know this just term the new normal is bandied about and what really worries me is that the people that use the new normal where it's a normal that is beneficial to them ok and they're not particularly concerned about it ok because i hear more and more talk read more and more about it kate recovery and that is admission of defeat in my in my opinion because it means the if you have the k. it's the the leg of the k. you've given up on ok because the other part. of the economy it's true because it's to their benefit here i really worry when people talk

michael pillsbury. >> thank you bill. i thought i'd begin by revealing a new publication that's going to come out in about 2 weeks from the hudson institute. you'll be able toget it online . it's called a guide to the trump administrations china policy statements. and it has a link to everyone of about 200 statements or interviews or tweets by president trump and the top members of his team. the reason i put this together as i believe there's been a lot of misunderstanding and the left has also attacked president trump's time china policy in many ways to distort what he's done and what his team has said and done over the last 3 and a half years. as we begin the next hundred days of the election campaign i think we're goingto hear more of this , more attacks on the president either that he's been who too soft on china. the buying team has already run several commercials where they imply that president trump is soft on china and vice president joe biden comes on and says if i'd been president i would have demanded xi jinping immediately tell us what happened in wuhan with the china's the virus and i'll save you against president t

michael pillsbury. he advises the trump administration on china policy, and directs the center for china strategy at the hudsontitute. and christopher hill had a 30 year career as a diplomat, and served as assistant secretary of state for east asian and pacific affairs during the george w. bush and obama administrations. he supports joe biden. we asked the biden campaign to participate in this segment but they declined. welcome to you both to the "newshour". michael pillsbury, let me start with you with the overall question, has president trump's policy toward china advanced u.s. interests? >> well, of course it has. he focused initially on economic security. he said he was going to increase the number of amecan jobs, cut back fient nell imports. he had quite a long agenda for china that came out to have the campaign, and i think he just delivered on those campaign promises. that was the main trump strategy, kind of effectiveness. so he's had a price tag fact policy, he's had a lot of success and what i see joe biden doing now is saying me, too. he sort of wants to be like trump. he wishes he had been tougher