dr. michael pillsbury, director of the center for chinese strategy at the hudson institute, author of "the 100-year marathon," which we recommend to you highly. let me, if i may, first of all, miketh us. >> thank you, lou. lou: your thowbts about what is going on and these confucius institutes and universities here in the united states, the role of those students and their relationship to their government. >> well, i'd say in terms of a chinese strategy, they identified quite a long time ago -- probably at least 20 years ago -- that they were going to have to steal the best technology in the world to keep their growth rate up to be able to surpass us and become the number one economy in the world. they knew that our regular technology control system would block them from buying sensitive technology, so they found many other ways to go in what you might call the back door or softer approaches. and our university system turns out to be one of those back doors. lou: right. >> they tend to have goodwill attitudes towards china. the whole idea of the confucius institutes is to celebrate chinese culture. they have -- lou: and language? >> language, for sure, but they also have the lan