contemplating such a thing to think about that, but, kay, you're in this foundation because of a personal situation? >> i lost my 28-year-old son michael in 2011, and i found out about the bridge rail foundation by reading the john basin book, the final leap, suicide from the golden gate bridge which came out in 2012. i said, oh, my gosh. there's an organization like that. i donated and ended up speaking with the president and eventually getting very involved. >> wow. i can't even imagine what it was like when you lost your son. can you tell us a little bit more about that? >> well, of course, it was shock. >> did he tell anybody? >> no, no. not a clue whatsoever. he was to start new job. it was a monday morning, and he gone to work. he went to work, as we thought he was doing. of course, i didn't live with him. he lived in san francisco, an he went to the bridge at 9:00 in the morning and was witnessed jumping from the bridge. >> oh, my goodness. and the phone call that you got was from the coroner's office? >> actually, there wasn't -- there was no longary coroner. there's a sheriff. i got phone call at 3:00 in the afternoon and that