just in this press conference, michael kay. i don't know if you agree. i think this is probably the best information that they have gotten so far. and it also offers them some hope that their loved ones won't be forgotten soon in this process of searching. >> i think it does. and in the absence of any critical facts or unequivocal facts, this is sort of all we can do at the moment. what i would really like to see at the moment, we've been very focused on sort of the tactical level activity over the last week, the search, the aircraft, the ping locators. i think i'd like to go and see conversations at the international level again, looking -- reengaging with inmarsat, just seeing the data is right. what we should be doing is chasing data to corroborate that it's gone south. but also, because we don't have enough information to rule out any other options, we need to be looking at data to rule out anything that has gone north or west. >> les? >> this may already be happening. we're not privy to the inside of this investigation. >> i agree. >> let's just hop

>> brett larson, david soucie, michael kay, always just fascinating and frustrating. and maddening all at the same time. david and michael, stick around. the agonizing uncertainty for the families. don't forget about these people. we're at week two. families. it brings up some pretty tricky legal questions. the risk of sounding crass here, but there is a financial issue for many of them. how insurance money could be used to help these families if the passengers are never found. and how tough is it for them to get the money? is it up you to them, or is there someone helping them? that's next. ♪ [ male announcer ] if you can clear a table without lifting a finger, you may be muddling through allergies. try zyrtec® for powerful allergy relief. and zyrtec® is different than claritin® because it starts working faster on the first day you take it. ♪ zyrtec®. muddle no more™. [ female announcer ] this week, save up to $9 on zyrtec® products. see sunday's newspaper. ♪ ♪ so you can have a getaways. from what you know. so you can be surprised by what you don't. get two times th

joining me is richard quest, michael kay. christine dennison is an ocean explorer and expedition expert. i want to talk to you about these waters. i don't think people really understand just what the searchers are up against and what everyone is up against here. this is really -- i'm not exaggerating, uncharted territory. are there commercial flights across this water? >> where we are at 1500 miles off perth, australia. the sea ops people are in the middle of nowhere. there is bad weather they will be encountering as we go into the fall season. everything they are going to be out there with as far as supplies they will be self supplied for as long as a month if need be. they are not close to anything at this point. >> when we talk about this and say uncharted territory, these are waters that people who are going across the ocean, if you are going to go on the other side of the world, you avoid these waters. >> there is nothing there. it is a very deep water. it's not a shipping lane. there is no reason to really be in these w

and michael kay are both here. colleen, you were first. you were instrumental in finding air france flight, and you did. tell me what you would do here at this particular juncture. >> well, what we should be doing, don, what we're doing now is trying to keep track of all the different areas where the aircraft could potentially have gone down. we still have possibilities that it could be farther north, it could have crashed farther south. you know, we keep hunting around in these different areas as new evidence comes in. the approach that we used in the air force search is called applying basian search theory. what this does is allows you to keep track of all the evidence you have and its uncertainties. and at any one time you can refer to a probability map to where the evidence points would be the highest likelihood areas to go search. that's where we would recommend day to day you put your effort. right now it looks like they're chasing a very hot clue that puts them in this northern area, but they're coming up empty, which is lending cre

now to michael kay, this is from karen. ny type of netting that ships can use to drag to find parts of the plane, michael? >> i think that's entirely dependent on the depths of the ocean that you're trying to troll. i also think it's agadependent where we think the debris will be. so is it going to have floated to the bottom, is it going to be resting on the ocean floor or on top of the surface or just under the surface in a neutral buoyancy type affair? it's a great question. we'll need to find the debris and then the rest of the search will form around the way that the debris field has manifested itself on the ocean top. >> geoffrey thomas, might this rush that everyone seems to be having to find the debris or to find the black boxes, might it be putting too much pressure on the malaysian government, the malaysian airlines and on searchers and investigators who are trying to figure out what's going on? >> look, it could possibly be, particularly up in malaysia. but i think after talking to australian officials over the las

michael kay, david soucie, as always, thank you so much. always good to see you both.er big story, as well, that's been developing. some pretty tense exchanges of artillery fire, actual real bullets between north and south korea. yeah. real bullets. both countries exchanging or engaging in military tests and exercises. not expecting what they were getting. could this lead to a bigger real fight? more on that after the break. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? an apron is hard work. an apron is pride in what you do. an apron is not quitting until you've made something a little better. what does an apron have to do with car insurance? for us, everything. cut! [bell rings] this...is jane. her long day on set starts with shoulder pain... ...and a choice take 6 tylenol in a day which is 2 aleve for... ...all day relief. hmm. [bell ring] "roll sound!" "action!" reckless seeding. a backyard invasion. enter homeowner, and ortho weed b gon max. kills weeds without harming innocent lawns. guaranteed. ortho weed b gon max. get order. get ortho®. [ two greek blueber

michael kay is going to join us in just a little bit here. mike o'kay as former minister of defense. and christine dennis son. first what do you make of these new developments? first, as the malaysians were holding a press conference, someone handed him a piece of paper saying, now there has been something found in china, and here it is. >> right. it is confirmation that there is something there that they want to go and have a look at. is it the same piece of debris that has now moved 100 or so, 140-odd kilometers over from the last known position? is it the same piece? is it another piece? the prime minister of australia was very clear that this needs to go and be investigated. and that's why there are eight planes on their way to this part of the ocean at the moment to actually search for this area. this has been the next biggest, most credible development, if you like, of the day, don. >> i want to ask that question to michael kay now, former adviser to the uk minister of defense. what do you make of these new developments here? >> hi, ric

. >> michael kay, quick comment to that. >> we have to be careful not to compare apples with pears. this is a small aircraft. it would have been flying a lot lower and flying in mountain areas. it may not have been picked up on radar. a lot of differences with the small aircraft and training of the crew and simulator. >> michael kay, thank you. sylvia, thank you. >>> conspiracy they' spispiracy. it is hard to take them seriously or is it? you are h! aah! [ female announcer ] the complete balanced nutrition of great-tasting ensure. 24 vitamins and minerals, antioxidants, and 9 grams of protein. [ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition in charge™. [ bottle ] ensure®. ido more with less with buless energy. hp is helping ups do just that. soon, the world's most intelligent servers, designed by hp, will give ups over twice the performance, using forty percent less energy. multiply that across over a thousand locations, and they'll provide the same benefit to the environment as over 60,000 trees. that's a trend we can all get behind. >>> what do we really know of the fate of malaysia airline flight

we have michael kay. he distinguished himself flying for the british r.a.f. and investigated aircraft crashes. we have tim weller. he was the project manager in the underwater search for the air france that crashed in the atlantic in 2009. we have the widow of the captain of that flight to reinforce the safety. she worries we are still vulnerable. clyve irving penned something. his focus is on the timeline and the significance of reports that the transponder was turned off three minutes after the pilot's final verbal communication. you want to hear what he thinks that suggests. we'll have dr. nicholas defanzo. the area of expertise is the spread of rumors and were we are so inclined to believe them. let's get started. assuming malaysian airlines flight 370 is at the bottom of the indian ocean, searches for it poses enormous challenges. it calls to mind the hunt for the titanic. that was found 74 years after it sank. tim weller is the operations manager at phoenix international. he also was project manager in the search for air france 447 in 2009. we have mich

and michael kay, a former advisor to the ministry of defense. and michael verna. and richard, you first. you heard her talking about the partial ping. why does that matter? >> until now, we had the six pings trying to get in touch with the plane in the area. a handshake, i am here. i am here. so, they acknowledged each other, but no data. we had to wait an hour for the next one, by which point, the plane should have been out of fuel. but eight minutes later, a partial ping. not from the station that way, but from the plane that way. >> which means something happened inside the plane to make it go off. >> and initially, inmarsat said they didn't know anything more about it. but in the "wall street journ " journal," they said it doesn't look like human intervention. now, the investigators can slowly bring the timeline down. the amount of fuel. when it would have run out. the partial ping. i'm not qualified, but the investigators can tell us. >> and these are all pieces of the puzzle. to jeffrey thomas now. here's what one of our viewers asked. how come it takes to l

thank you so much. >> we want to bring in richard quest and michael kay.d, make it brief if you could. all the gear in the world, all the most sophisticated technology in the world, given what we have heard today, is it even enough. >> yes. it's all you've got. they will -- and there's one piece of technology you haven't added. human endeavor and perseverance. right at the beginning, i said, they'll keep going at this, and they will keep going until they find more evidence of where this plane is. they may have to stop for the winter, for the bad weather. they may have to take a break to regroup. they may have to reanalyze everything. but they will not just certainly switch -- switch off the lights, we think we know where it was. let's leave -- >> very, very optimistic sounding. but in the end, i look at this space, i look at the area and i look at how much we don't know, colonel kay. and i wonder if all eyes are enough. >> yeah, i think kate bolduan hit it on, technology versus the human eye. and i think we've got to temper our expectation on technology, b

michael kay, i want to bring you in as a pilot in the royal air force.news that they spotted something, and a second plane for the very first time this has happened, a second plane was able to get a read on that object, whatever it was in the water, it made me wonder, what is it does a pilot do once you spot something? i have seen the diagrams of the p-8 and something called a storage rack in the back. and i wondered if their jettisoned to mark the territory. kyung la reported they did the math coordinates. the what do you do as a pilot when you see something? >> let me touch on the first question first, ashleigh. what we're going through is a process of refinement here. you've had the inmar satellite able to track out a range and through correlation and mapping and frequency modulations of what they got back from the pings, they have managed to say there is a southern arc. the bit we don't know, the unknown bits, are the endurance and speed of the aircraft. for me, still a big gap in the analysis in what happened after that jet after the transponder wen

with me former adviser to the uk, defense ministry and retired military pilot, michael kay. all right, michael, all this talk about sanctions -- >> hi judge. >> how are you tonight? >> i'm good. how are you? >> all this talk about sanctions, are they going to make a difference as it relates to putin going into the ukraine to get to crimea? >> i think your opening statement was spot-on. perception of power. that's been driving putin's behavior over the last couple of months. very different. east ukraine is different to crimea in terms of putin's intended lan grab. why? this is the crimea region handed back by crew chief. it's all about the naval base allowing putin to protect naval power all over the world. >> okay. >> as we know, he's got this back. however, what he needs to do now is supply crimea. he needs to make sure that crimea gets the energy resources, the utilities. >> that's what these are? these are the power lines, right? >> that's are the natural gas pipelines that we see. >> since russia -- because this is in front of the water here. russia can't -- is not connec

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michael kay will join us with lieutenant general thomas mcinerney.hey'll discuss whether the plan could have landed in pakistan. you've been sending your questions about the search for the missing airplane. we'll answer those questions as those breaking news edition of "hannity" continues straight ahead. ron: i'm never alone with scottrade. i can always call or stop by my local office. they're nearby and ready to help. so when i have questions, i can talk to someone who knows exactly how i trade. because i don't trade like everybody. i trade like me. that's why i'm with scottrade. announcer: ranked highest in investor satisfaction with self-directed services by j.d. power and associates. ♪ see what's new at projectluna.com it's red lobster's lobsterfest! all promotions! the year's largest selection of lobster entrees, like lobster lover's dream. hurry in and sea food differently. go to red lobster.com for ten dollars off with purchase of two lobsterfest entrees. >>> and this is a fox news alert, the international search for possible plane debris is n

michael kay former adviser to uk ministry of defense has been involved in other crash investigations and he joins me now. >> hi, gretchen. >> so new information, 700 mile more to the northeast. what do we make of it? >> what we have to keep remembering, gretchen, this investigation is still assumptions based. what it does, reduces the accuracy of the search area. lets have a recap where we are. we know from doppler effect on radar we can work out a distance on those pings. looking at frequency modulated earlier in the week we can correlate aircraft from the north, south, analysis, information more pertinent to the south. the problem we've got assumptions have been used to get to this area here. firstly on endurance of the aircraft. secondly on what aircraft -- what speed the aircraft is traveling at. that makes this whole area a little bit inaccurate. >> a massive area. so now you've been able to delineate from this new information what? >> lets go to the next slide. so this is the new area that we now have. the new information has basically told us the aircraft was traveling just a

. >>> and coming up, former military pilot michael kay is here and will explain in detail just how and where the investigators are searching for the missing jet. also tonight on "hannity," coming up. >>> the only thing that i have seen that is starting to become verified is the lignet report. >> does general mcinerney still stand by his information? >> and we'll show you where they're searching for the plane off the coast of australia, as this breaking news of "hannity" continues, thank you for joining us. [ male announcer ] there is no substitute for experience. for what reality teaches you firsthand. in the face of danger, and under the most demanding circumstances. experience builds character. experience builds confidence. and experience... has built this. introducing the 2014 glk. the engineering and the experience of mercedes-benz. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services. yeah. i heard about progressive's "name your price" tool? i guess you can tell them how much you want to pay and it gives you a range of options to choose from.

. >>> and coming up, former military pilot michael kay is here and will explain in detail just how and where the investigators are searching for the missing jet. also tonight on "hannity," coming up. >>> the only thing that i have seen that is starting to become verified is the lignet report. >> does general mcinerney still stand by his information? >> and we'll show you where they're searching for the plane off the coast of australia, as this breaking news of "hannity" continues, thank you for joining us. [ coughs, sneezes ] i have a big meeting when we land, but i am so stuffed up, i can't rest. [ male announcer ] nyquil cold and flu liquid gels don't unstuff your nose. they don't? alka seltzer plus night fights your worst cold symptoms, plus has a decongestant. [ inhales deeply ] oh. what a relief it is. >>> this is a fox news alert as the search intensifies for missing airliner, searching 1500 miles off the coast of australia, joining me now to explain, the former adviser to the u.k. appreciate you being here. >> good to see you. >> all right, we just got the weather report, big sw

let's get to michael kay, former adviser to the united kingdom's defense ministry and a frequent guest on our programs on fox news channel. michael, if nothing else, this is the most, makes sense sort of advisory that we've received today. >> yeah, good evening. good to chat. i think i want to follow on kathryn's point which i think is critical. you've already mentioned the search area, some 1,500 miles off the southwestern tip of australia and i think we're still a long way from gaining confirmation. you pensioned the p 3 orion which is a turboprop submarine, and maritime surveillance aircraft. there are four of those going out to the search area, but they travel about 250 knots, about four miles a minute. the problem you have with that, there's a very long sea transit before you even get to combing that area. so actually, the time on scene, or the endurance on scene is going to be a lot less than it would be if it was closer to land. now, what we can see so far, i do have the luxury of having a map in front of me. what we can see so far would be the search area is consistent with wha

we'll have the latest and talk with an aviation expert, including pilot michael kay.s investigators continue to search for clues it's agony for the passengers' families. in a special two-hour edition of america's headquarters. we'll explore what's ahead for them. russia's president formerly reclaimed crimea. is vladimir putin getting ready to make another land grab? we'll have a live report from kiev, plus we'll hear from fox news analysts. all that and more coming your way at the top of the hour. join us. >>> from conspiracy theories to downright crazy theories, some media's coverage of the malaysia opinion plane is literally out of this world. like if the plane was sucked up by a black hole or if supernatural forces were involved. what if a ufo took it or my personal favorite, calling it a zombie plane. >> this is reckless. pretty soon they're going to start debating whether the plane even existed. it's reckless. it's not keeping people knowledgeable. they're not talking about the facts and we need to remember that this is a serious issue. there are people who are m

colleen keller, michael kay, les abend and will ripley joining us from australia and we have rosa floress is just in from hmstuwumba has made best speed and entered the area. there we go, the ship has made its way into the area where we believe the objects were found. and so they are -- made good time on saturday afternoon. so there we go. we have that ship. we've also got the ship that will is out shadowing. and then we have this new information that rosa flores is bringing us. i want to get to you first, colleen. what do you make of rosa's information here talking about, you know, if the origination of two different places in the ocean where objects were found, and it doesn't -- the data doesn't quite jive? >> it's no problem that the data doesn't jive. the reason is the data is uncertain. so you could have two separate hypotheses and they could be conflicting. since you have overlap and uncertainty you, have you to keep both of them on the table until you exclude one, until you have credible evidence that takes one completely away. in the air france search, we actually had three separ

and cnn's aviation correspondent, richard quest joins me live and lieutenant colonel michael kay, ministry to the defense and david soucie. it sounded to me, richard, like the official from inmarsat thought it was quite a leap, actually, to take the data they had used to suggest the plane is gone, the passengers are dead. >> no, he was talking about the nature of the question. the -- he was not specifically addressing that point. >> he said it was a number of jumps. >> it was a number of jumps, but if you listened to the press conference last night, both from the malaysian and -- the malaysia airlines ceo and minister, they basically said it was time to come to that reality. >> can you help me? i heard this said several times from inmarsat themselves, from officials who have expertise in this. and i still don't quite get it. >> okay. >> can you just explain in layperson's terms? what math did he do with the existing data that led us to the arc, to the spot where we suggest this happened? >> we're going to show some diagrams in a second. i need the help of our guests here, if i may. give me

michael kay is with me, a retired royal pilot and also a submarine specialist. a combination of things, and it is all dependent on the informationt at the time. and the guys in air france 447 because of the transponders were able to locate the debris quickly. they will search it out and look at the tidal flows and put it in some algorithms and the computers will come up with a data search. >> before they go out, they are briefed, and what are they told once they get to briefing. >> the guys going out there are the pilots that are responsible for getting the aircraft out there, and in terms of the equipment that the aircraft is use, i think that it is then going to the responsibility hands over to the tactical controller, and that person is going to be responsible for the radar scope guys and girls using the technology, and so they are going to be looking at the search aspects and the weather briefings, and actions of what to do if you see something, because if they do see something, they take a picture of it and get the imagery back to the analysts to stop proce

satellite image of a possible object in the indian ocean. >>> former united kingdom minister of defense michael kayopes down? give us the skinny on this, michael. >> look, the leads we have are minimal for this whole investigation so anything like this that manifest itself is definitely good news in terms of it's an opportunity to investigate. we had hardly any opportunity to investigate any leads whatsoever. so this is encouraging. but, again, as i've already mentioned guarding it with a little bit of caution. >> chinese seem to be stipulation and the world perception is they haven't stepped up. the united states has been stepping in now. is this pr, or is this something real? should information of this type be released at this point? >> i think that's a great question. looking at it more broadly, 26 countries involved at the last count in this investigation. there's a lot of inconsistencies and at the diplomatic level there's a lot of inconsistencies. for example if you look at the radar traces between thailand, malaysia and indonesia, thailand or malaysia said they may have saw something in the

with me now, michael kay, whose been on several boards of inqui inquiry. everything about what we originally thought is now in question. and the orangeal thinking that this plane probably was involved in some kind of catastrophic disaster and went into the water is now the case anymore. no one believes that anymore, but we now know that the aircraft is pinging for seven ho last lost contact with after it made communication. what do you think happened to this plane? >> just to pick up on 43 countries, 53 aircraft, this is a huge man hunt. i've been on two boards of inquiry, flown over 20 careyeard have never seen anything like this. the points you raise are really valid in terms of where is this aircraft, but i want to dispel a few sort of worries. there are processes an aircraft has to go through before entering a country's sovereign air pace. one, a flight plan. establishing communications. if it doesn't have a flight plan or establish communications and you see this blip coming across the boarderborder, then that so territory is likely going to do someth

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joining me experienced military pilot lieutenant colonel michael kay, served as adviser of great britain's military defense and has been part of a number of crash investigations. lets go to the maps again today. what have you compiled for us? >> what we've got at the moment is a little more evidence again. i'm pleased they are calling it objects rather than debris because we've had our expectations raised with the previous satellite images. we know we had the initial satellite data, which was provided by the u.s. but was announced by australian pm. then we had chinese data from their satellite. again, very low resolution. again, this latest piece. if we go back to these two, we had poseidon aircraft go out, scour the area, now 600,000 square miles. it's huge. it's come back with a freighter, parts of dolphins, nothing conclusive. so what we've now got is this latest piece. when you are there on top of -- >> they are all in the same area. >> two sightings from p3 and chinese aircraft, what we're starting to do is building this jigsaw puzzle. likely we're going to get the silver bullet. piec

lets bring in michael kay, a former military pilot. walk us through what the pilots are seeing. what's key to understand when you're in a cockpit. >> from the outset, this is 777. every switch has a function. we shouldn't underestimate the importance not just day to day flying but emergency procedures of which there are hundreds and hundreds of various combinations of emergency procedures combined. we're talking about propping circuit breaker, hydraulics, engines, a myriad of scenarios. >> looking at this, i wouldn't know where to begin. obviously a lot going on for a pilot. did it strike you as strange the pilot had a simulator in his home? >> jenna, i really don't think so. i think it's encouraging. because of the scenarios involved with potential emergencies, this guy could merely be having a simulator to play those out. he was a training captain. it's his responsibility to train co-pilots coming onto the fleet. >> gives us an idea how complicated it is. we were talking about interesting insight you had when the transponder stops being effective when it comes to distance. let

we're going to look at it together with michael kay, former military pilot and defense adviser for british ministry of defense. lets start there. lets start with the transponder because everyone is talking about that, mike. >> absolutely. i sat on two boards of investigation, crash investigation and there's still really interesting questions that have to be answered from what the ground area radar controllers saw. now for me the key bit of equipment is the transponder. we've talked about this at length. what this does is give the aircraft position, altitude, speed, and uses it for traffic collision. >>> let me ask you as a pilot, this is what we would be looking at if we were flying. would we ever test the transponder. >> it's usually a single setting, stays there and usually on the full setting. it does switch to stand by when under the circumstances to the destination so you don't get all of this information on the actual airport. >> lots of planes there. >> goes to stand by as it enters the circuit. usually it's left in the on position. >> there are some limits to what the transponder d

lieutenant colonel michael kay is a retired air force pilot and a defense adviser, good to see you michael. >> good to see you. >> so far, not a piece of actual anything, why? >> yeah, satellites, megyn, are not the silver bullet. they're an incredibly valuable tool in solving the puzzle but they're not the silver bullet. the satellite is used by the intelligence community and used by homeland security. this is probably one of the most well suited satellites to this search. it is high resolution, about 70 centimeters per pixel. however, it is not the silver bullets, there are limitations to the technology, it takes a 2d picture, not a 3-d picture, so you're only getting a sort of an over view of what you're seeing. an iceberg, we can see the tip, we know there is a lot more underneath the surface, but the weather is a nightmare for satellites. if you have any form of cloud cover, we know the weather has been inclement. we must not forget we're still looking for the hay stack, even if you have a high resolution satellite you can't look at a picture of the south indian ocean and spot potenti

fox news aviation analyst kathleen bangs, and still at the board over there, michael kay. really? we have a green thing or gray thing, now we make it definitive. >> it seemed a little cold-hearted. i have to say, when a ship or when an airplane is gone really i think the term they might have wanted to use is presumed lost. that all souls on board are presumed lost. >> but look, it is probably likely. i don't disagree. >> highly likely. >> give me some evidence, give me one flotation device. >> we may never get that. and they're trying to give the families the time to move on, to begin the grieving process. i think that is really -- >> they're already grieving. their family has been gone into into the third week. >> they have the trace, they have the piece of the puzzle up on the ship, he is making this announcement. talk about premature. it sounded like he just wanted to close the book on this thing in a 2 minute and 30 second analysis. >> after they have gotten facts wrong, contradicted themselves, and been proven wrong on multiple occasions. all right, kathleen, you made a did p

michael kay an experienced military pilot joins us to take a look at the maps. when do you know, mike, this is the area to look and when do you know it's not and have to pull back. >> an impossible question. sadly, jenna, nothing yet has given us clues and the surge will have to go on. when you stop that search is an incredibly hard decision to make. lets have a look at the technology. we talked about the p-3 and how constraining it is in terms of its endurance, also p-8 poseidon, latest. it's premium maritime aircraft. it can travel 500 knots at high altitude. what it means, it can travel this distance, takes p-3 five hours, it can get to the search area in two hours. the nerve center of the p-8 is absolutely phenomenal. contrast heat sources. if there's a person on top of the ocean -- unlikely, if there is, contrast heat signature against the ocean, it can send out energy and recognize the shape of a ship and through algorithms it can understand what that is. it's also got signal intelligence. this aircraft is effectively a sponge for every single bit of commu

. >> michael kay, jim tillman, great to have you here to talk through this. >>> we talked about thisata deleted from the pilot simulator, ahead in this hour, we are going to take a look at that. we have had our martin savidge up in toronto looking at this. we will tell you who killed that information out, and why. certainly got the fbi's attention. with my geico app. vin # is up to the loaded. ok well then jerry here will take you through all of the features then. why don't weeeeeeeeeeee go out to the car. ok, i'll just be outside... ok, yeah. his dad is my boss. yeah. vin scanning to add a car. just a tap away on the geico app. live in the same communities that we serve. people here know that our operations have an impact locally. we're using more natural gas vehicles than ever before. the trucks are reliable, that's good for business. but they also reduce emissions, and that's good for everyone. it makes me feel very good about the future of our company. ♪ s >>> new data in the malaysia airlines mystery. data from the simulator deleted. who deleted it? what exactly was the data tha

. >> well, lieutenant colonel michael kay served as an adviser for great britain's ministry defense and served on a number of plane crash investigations. good to see you again. >> hi, martha. >> big question today is how did they arrive at this? we know there's a lot of debris in the waters off this coast. how did they get to this conclusion today? >> i think that's the crux of the matter today, martha. i think if we just look at this position here, okay, that is where the inmarsat satellite is. it stays in that position all the time. the acars on the airplane uses this for communication, primarily when it's on the ground it uses vhs communication. when it gets over the ocean, the vhf communications drop and the acars selects the sat-come, which is the satellite. it acts like a mobile phone. when your mobile phone is at home, it automatically locks on to wi-fi. when you walk out, it locks on to the network. that's what this has done. in order for the satellite to make sure the acars is still there, every hour it'll say, hey, you still there? the acars will send it a little ping. what th

we want to bring in michael kay former pilot. >> also ocean explorer and logistics expert. let's talk about the logistics of this. how hard will it be to get out there and get eyes on the possible debris? what will it take to confirm it's from flight 370? >> right now they're in what i call phase one of discovery and trying to fig you're out what's going on. they're working with visuals. they've got aerials, helicopters working with p 3 a surveillance jet picking up magnetic signatures. i think these images are a couple days old. they have something they've been following. they're going to try and make contact to visually see what they are floating in the ocean. unfortunately they're hampered by wind, bad visibility which is an issue when trying to do visual inspection of the debris. >> to say this is a narly part of the ocean is an understatement. this is the middle of nowhere. michael talk about the fact that's certainly a challenge which this is located. you seem to think there's something encouraging about where this location has -- where the debris was found. >> michae

retired lieutenant michael kay is back with us. alongside him is christine denison. she is an ocean explorer and logistics expert. >> i want to start with you about this new potential discovery. 122 pieces of possible debris or at least objects spotted in an area a lot smaller than we have been dealing with in the past, about 400 square kilometers. they range in size up to 70 feet. some are much smaller. some are brightly colored. this seems to have a lot of analysts excited about this. what is the significance of this find? >> i think it is wise we are calling these objects now and not calling them debris from the outseat. we have seen from previous imagery, from the start, when we had that first satellite image provided by the u.s. that the australian prime minister spoke about, that proved to be a bit of a red herring. we have seen that these potential satellite images can be freighters, parts of ships, refractions of light, dolphins. what i would say, is there are 122 pieces. that seems like an accurate assessment from a satellite. potentially, a higher resolutio

to elude radar and what happened with bill nye, the science guy and a former boeing engineer and michael kayer plight and british military officer. two of the most perfect people to talk about this. bill, let me start with you. how conceivable is it that this jet was able to any somewhere, and by the way, somewhere pretty far, right with these pings we kept getting every hour from satellite for seven times, without being detected? >> well, it's not very likely and i appreciate you-all asking me about this, but there's just so many theories out there. i would say that let think about the motive. what are these people who ever hijacked this plane, what do they intend to gain 12 days after the thing disappears? so, i'm hoping that what we're really doing, i say "we", the people with the ability to do so, are looking underwater, listening for that pinger. i brought this up a couple times because if the thing is gone for 12 days, i got a feeling it's underwater. but of course, i'm just one more person with one more idea about this. it's just every day, there's another fascinating clue. it's got e

department of defense, michael kay. that's outrageous, isn't it?is a long time for the family and friends. i would add a bit of caution. we are speaking with the benefit of hindsight. but what we do know is there are some serious inconsistencies with the information that we've been getting. for example, the radar traces that were supposedly identified by thailand radar, how they don't match up with what malaysia has been accepting are radar traces. malaysia says they saw radar traces by the malaaca strait. i think there are a lot of inconsistencyies. some would be looking at more evidence to corroborate what we're currently seeing as potential debris within the search area of the southwestern tip of australia. what i would be doing now is i'd be really shaking the indonesians, shaking the malaysians and saying, right. let's get in a room. give me with a you've got. give me the radar traces over the last -- from seven hours from when the aircraft was last known. we know it went into the south china sea. we know the transponder was turned off around

. >> michael kay, we appreciate your expertise. thank you. >> thanks for having me, doug. good to see you. >>> the fbi is lending its technical expertise to the malaysian government by providing electronic data that can help analyze the flight simulator that the pilot built in his home. they hope that information can be restored to shed clues about flight 370. joining us, former fbi director dan danny kolson. in addition to helping with the simulator we understand that fbi agents are in kuala lumpur. many are frustrated with the pace of this investigation. precious time has been wasted by delaying the release of important findings. do you feel the malaysian government has botched the overall investigation? >> well, i don't think they botched but you have to understand, we in the united states are somewhat spoiled by the quality of investigations we see conducted here. after the oklahoma bombing, the fbi had a handcuff on tim mcveigh in two days. the boston marathon bombing, we had pictures of the subjects the next day. we have to understand that this is not the united stat

michael kay is a former advisor to the united kingdom ministry of defense. he joins us live.n court where an informant said that years ago at a terror camp, he was told to give a shoe bomb toç these four or five malaysian guys, they were going to use it to hijack a plane and it was part of a khalid sheikh mohammed plot hatched years ago but perhaps the news came out last week it's related. >> other thing we should be surprised by this information coming out, if you said to me september 10, painted a picture for me of what was going to happen the next day, would have thought you were balking. i think we need to look at this in terms of the geopolitical context and security context within the ring. if you look at what's going on in china, on march 1 there was a knife attack which killed 29 people there aimed at separating a group. in theç arabian peninsula they have a global jihad looking to wreak havoc all around the world. i think it is not unusual for this information to be coming out especially when we have an undetermined outcome of where the aircraft is. there are three

we talked to michael kay earlier on the show, he brought up a great point, that i guess the saltwater't received any of that information to our knowledge, right? this idea that that wasn't triggered because of saltwater hitting it, isn't that a red flag? >> i don't think it has anything to do with the saltwater. those devices -- and you're talking about basically the black box where, you know, once that hits water, that beacon activates. and it will send out a beam every second for 30 days. and so those things are incredibly robust, very strong, so i don't know what the saltwater would have to do with it. >> or water in general, i suppose. >> i think the idea was it was activated by contact with water. but can i go back quickly to what you said. we sort of alighted over it. but the fact that there are two iranian nationals on fake passports on this plane and everyone seems to be like, it's type, it's okay. iran is one of the most consistent sponsors of terror in the world. why aren't we concerned about these guys? >> i think -- again, i'm not the official when it comes to state depart

contemplating such a thing to think about that, but, kay, you're in this foundation because of a personal situation? >> i lost my 28-year-old son michael2011, and i found out about the bridge rail foundation by reading the john basin book, the final leap, suicide from the golden gate bridge which came out in 2012. i said, oh, my gosh. there's an organization like that. i donated and ended up speaking with the president and eventually getting very involved. >> wow. i can't even imagine what it was like when you lost your son. can you tell us a little bit more about that? >> well, of course, it was shock. >> did he tell anybody? >> no, no. not a clue whatsoever. he was to start new job. it was a monday morning, and he gone to work. he went to work, as we thought he was doing. of course, i didn't live with him. he lived in san francisco, an he went to the bridge at 9:00 in the morning and was witnessed jumping from the bridge. >> oh, my goodness. and the phone call that you got was from the coroner's office? >> actually, there wasn't -- there was no longary coroner. there's a sheriff. i got phone call at 3:00 in the afternoon and that's h