. >> thomas michael kay here. it is easy to develop a notion this is a monolithic group and impen impennet impennet table, but we heard they were split on what to do with him and we mentioned they had withdrawn from kobani and that was a success for rpg, what are the chinks in the isis armor and how do we as the west exploit those? >> well speculation as to what those chinks are. you can exploit anything that is discoverable and that we can reach with either political deal making light of what happened in kobani as a defeat. so i think it is difficult without knowing what the status of the leadership is there. people suggested that maybe there were two groups holding different hostages and a lack of coordination there. i find that very difficult to believe. i think that if bagdadi realized there was a faction with an isis holding an individual and conducting a separate negotiation, we would have crushed that element within isis very quickly. >> michael, part of what has made isis so powerful and strong

what would you call this, michael kay? tokyo rose kind of thing where the enemy is using someone or with the -- how do we measure it from here what role that person speaking there had and the words he's speaking? the freedom he had. >> chris, i think it's significant, and the reason for that is one of isis' critical capabilities is the ability to reach out across the world through social media and through galvanizing the western media and infect and therefore recruit. john cantlie is the last in a long series of western hostages, whether it be journalists or whether it be aide workers. so they will have to leverage this last man they have in order to galvanize that. >> just to get it clear, he's saying words that he's being ordered to use. he's a prisoner in every way. he is probably fearful what they're going to do with him, so we shouldn't assume any cooperation by him beyond the formal cooperation we're seeing on the tape is. >> no, absolutely, chris. i can't even begin to put myself in john cantlie's shoes. his number

michael kay, last thought on the emotional impact on this country. these terrorist groups, they want to get at our souls. >> right. one thing i wanted to point out here, chris, long before these beheadings of aide workers and journalists started to occur, the biggest humanitarian problem in contemporary history had already started to occur. millions of refugees flooding out of syria. there's paralysis at the united nations security council which just goes back to it's the people of syria that are getting hit hard here. we need to go back to the root of the problem which is assad. foreign policy in the u.s. needs to start developing relationships, whether we like it or not, with russia because russia is key in order to get any sort of movement on security council resolutions, and iran, because the only reason assad is still in power is he's got support from russia and he's got support from iran. and they're the relationships we need to start being clever about. the nuclear conversation with iran needs to be developed to link in something to do with sy

i'm joined now with evan coleman and michael kay, former british officer.n first, to answer my complaint here, americans watch television, they watch it on their computers, iphones, they get these pictures from isis and libya of people being executed, burned alive, whatever else. this is going to continue and i wonder how the american people will react to this. they don't want to become passive, useless, morally somehow compliant in this. because if you don't do anything, most americans say, if we're not doing anything, we're part of the problem. your thoughts? >> back in 2004, we had a similar problem. fallujah under control of al qaeda in iraq, they took it and turned it into a slaughter house. it took a lot of u.s. military force to get them out of there. and we ended it. we ended that period of executions. what we found there was horrifying. i'm not a big advocate of putting american boots on the ground when they're not absolutely necessary. but i think we have to really carefully weigh our options here. back in 2005, president bush said there were 160,

. >> ambassador, it is michael kay. i look backwards to shape the way we move forward and i was part of the invasion in iraq in 2003 and there were a fewee ronous rorz and we didn't have an exit strategy or a political road map. and without the two critical components of the aumf are we not in the same situation now. >> in some respects mikey, you are absolutely right. this is my concern. it is a shame that in some respects. president is having to go through his respects through authorization at the time when the strategy to defeat isis is not clear and where the peshmerga are under force and the jordanians have asked for additional military support and haven't received it and the military capacity of the iraqis to retake the second largest city of mosul is very much in question until later on in the summer and where this battle for kobani por or less may have defeated isis but they are still very much in control of raqqa. in some respects, i think our viewers are as perplexed at the strategy. where is the strategy. it

with me now is michael kay, international correspondent and former adviser to the u.k. fense. i should also add, somebody who has himself been in combat. michael, let's talk a little bit about the perspective that this book and film "american sniper" presents. just putting apart the issues of accuracy about the depiction of his own story, were the sentiments and the feelings that were expressed by the character true to life to you? >> well i don't really know chris kyle. for me, that wasn't my takeaway in terms of getting into who the actual man was. i've served in northern ireland against the ira. i've served in kosovo, macedonia. i did three tours in iraq and three tours in afghanistan. something that defines the nature of 21st century combat is the asymmetric threat the unconventional threat, and the threat or the enemy that we face is an enemy that doesn't wear a uniform, doesn't play by any rules, it doesn't understand what the geneva conventions are or play by them. it's not accountable to the international criminal court or their own statute. it uses very basic te

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joining he now is michael kay, retired senior british officer and military strategist now a feern affairsrrespondent. thank you for being here. >> hi rev. >> michael, this is an educated man who came from a middle-class family. what does that say about who is being attracted to isis? >> what's interesting about this, rev, is that it kind of sits outside the socioeconomic deprived template that we have been focusing on for the last couple months that we've been looking at the process of radical sax. i find this quite fascinating personally. if you look at the brothers responsible for the "charlie hebdo" attacks, they are radicalized through a process of engaging and seeing what policy had done no 2003 and wanting to go to iraq. if you look at the canadian lone wolf that was arrested he was radicalized in prison. the egyptian bodybuilder that the numbs inspection had a piece on, he was radicalized in mosques. emwazi was radicalized in a different way. he's traveled to assistance nia, wasn't allowed there, sent back to uk have i ra amsterdam. he was interrogated there. then decided to go to

here to discuss the newest effort to beat back isis we have michael kay, he's a retired royal air force officer. michael, thanks for being here. you can take us through this better than anybody. here's the map. you see mosul here second largest city. what is it that we're talking about doing right now to take back that city? >> yeah, i think it's absolutely key. first have a look at the sort of geopolitical environment. we're talking about these 25,000 iraqi forces but it's not just iraqi forces on the ground in this region. who have we got? this is the kurdish region of iraq. 110,000 peshmerga forces occupy this area. they will be absolutely key in the fight to retake mosul. who else have we got? we've got these popularist mobilization forces. they're shia-backed forces all coming in from iran. up to 100,000 expected to be in this region. >> these are militia forces? >> yes. and these basically came about during saddam hussein's reign. exiled iraqi shia formed the bader organization existed in iran to begin with but during the fall in 2003 that's when they merged and came into iraq. an

nbc news terrorism analyst and senior partner evan coleman and former british military officer, michael kayg for an ngo in turkey and syria. right now isis has said nothing about whether or not they have her in the custody or what they intend to do with her. the question is whether or not isis would treat a female in the same way it would a male hostage. a lot of people when they look at beheadings that have taken place, you wonder how that could possibly have a positive impact on isis' recruitment. on the other handy it would be hard to argue that they haven't been quite successful in their strategy. that might be the case if they beheaded a female hostage because of the fact that people trying to rally might be tremendously offput by that. >> what's your take on that? they have killed one of the last hostages they have at their disposal. whads their leverage? >> that's the critical question. if you look at the people remaining, we've got this lady that evan was talking about and jordanian pilot and the u.k. journalist. john is being used in a propaganda role to get their mess oj out there

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joined now at the big board by british royal air force officer and foreign affairs correspondent michael kaythanks for joining us. >> good morning. good to see you. >> this is obviously scary news to hear american troops 400 of them apparently close, they are saying a couple of miles. they are in the base the isis militants are attacking. we have an aerial shot. take us through what happened here. >> first thing that's important is to pick up on what richard was saying about the context of the threat. in terms of the threat to the u.s. troops on the ground on this air base the threat is min pal. there is a reason for that. we have to look at the size of the air base. these are the two main runways. it's standard for a middle eastern iraqi air base. these are a mile and a half long. you can see the whole area. you are looking at three miles in indictment. you have the living quarters we have up in this area and the air base as well should have a sing point of entry. >> the bottom line is ti tack would likely have been in this region. the troops could be down here in hangars, anywhere really o

then we have a good friend and great historian of the american left michael kay's and, professor at georgetown university. he's also the editor of " dissent," something i hope he can speak about today. he's a very well-known commentator. he is heard everywhere as well -- television, radio 2008 he helped launch historians for obama. he's been very involved politically, and i think his work his scholarship has become important to the american left in a way that is quite impressive. and finally, to my right we have claire potter. in the world of social media she has had a tremendous impact. she's a professor of history at the new school for social research, the author of "war on crime," she's writing a book about anti-pornography campaigns, and she publishes in many places, but she has a very popular blog that many of you might read called the 10 year radical, which was picked up by the chronicle of higher education, has been an innovative example of what people actually talk about but don't do very well, of how to use social media to offer commentary to offer and foster useful discussions. we wi

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michael kay is a retired officer of the british royal air force and international affairs analyst. good morning. let's start where keir left off. the authorities have known about mohammed emwazi since 2009, they had several encounters with him over the years. are you surprised they let him slip through the snet >> you say slip through the net i think it's the analysis is interesting because whenever you are trying to apprehend someone you need a certain amount of evidence to be able to take someone to a court of law to charge them and then put them in jail. if you don't have that evidence, then while they might be able to monitor his movements which they did, back to the uk, to kuwait, in amsterdam, it's hard to arrest someone. >> we're learning more about his biography, lots of facts coming forward, but do you see anything in that biographical information that answers the crucial question of how this guy became radicalized in a fighter for isis? >> what is interesting is it doesn't fit this perception we have about it being socio-economic problems, high unemployment, high crime ra

kay, you have a question? catty from london. >> reporter: yeah michael ketteroff.h we could be having a reasonable discussion about funding for homeland security. which has become the third rail for american politics over the last few years. the trouble is this is simply not the way to have it. >> yeah i think that's right. obviously in the last couple years, there has been a budget for the first time a budget clamp down. that has resulted in people looking at some of the spending in particular, some of the grants that have gone to state and local government that were very, very significant amounts, six, seven years ago, have been cut back. but again, this is not the occasion in which people are looking at specific spending items. what they're doing is playing all or nothing and the truth is nothing would be a disaster because within a matter of days some of the basic maintenance, the basic management which is necessary to make your department function would no longer be funded and that would start to create problems. >> sam stein is with us in washington. sam, do

kay and mike heilemann are still with us. "morning joe" economic analyst steve ratner and in washington senior foreign affairs correspondent for politico michaelve. >> good morning. >> how are you doing this morning. >> immigrate. how are you? >> nothing to blurt out at the top of the hour? >> we begin in libya on the rising threat from the other spreading islamic state. >> we'll start there. the north african country is asking the united nations security council to lift an arms embargo so the country can fight isis. it comes after the militants beheaded 21 egyptian coptic christians in libya. and new fears this morning that the lead executioner just may be american. the italian government is now boosting security amid threats italy could be if terror group's next target. and at the white house president obama tried to get off the defensive by taking on criticism for his administration take for refusing to call isis islamic terrorists. he jumped into the debate during that second day of a summit on violent extremism. mr. obama urged political and religious leaders around the world to come together in efforts to prevent young people from joinin