we want to talk about that with michael kessler, an ethicist, a legal scholar and associate director of the berkley center for religion, peace and world affairs at georgetown university. professor kessler, welcome. >> so how do we get the right balance between privacy on the one hand and security on the other? >> well the first thing to keep in mind is that these policy debates are really moral debates. it's about how to secure the well-being of the body, freedom of thought, freedom of conscience. the religious traditions have an immense amount of resources to help us think about where to draw this line. first and foremost in the just war tradition is the idea of proportionality. when you perceive a threat against you, your response has to be measured and tempered appropriate to stop that illegitimate threat but go no further. >> but let me ask you this, we're talking about some things that are secret or supposed to be secret, now how do we how do we rate how big a threat there is when we can't really know because of the secrecy? >> sure, some of that in our political structure is bui

we want to talk about that with michael kessler, an ethicist, a legal scholar and associate director f the berkley center for religion, peace and world affairs at georgetown university. professor kessler, welcome. >> so how do we get the right balance between privacy on the one hand and security on the other?

we want to talk about that with michael kessler, an ethicist, a legal scholar and associate director berkley center for religion, peace and world affairs at georgetown university. professor kessler, welcome. >> so how do we get the right balance between privacy on the one hand and secu o

. >> professor michael kessler of georgetown university, many thanks. >> thank you. >>> in other news, religious groups were active on several policy issues this week. as the full senate began debate on immigration reform, prominent clergy were among those joining president obama at the white house to push for quick passage of the legislation. a broad range of faith leaders, including southern baptists who support new immigration laws. meanwhile, the southern baptist convention held its annual meeting this week in houston. among many measures, delegates passed a resolution opposing the recent boy scouts decision to allow openly gay scouts. the resolution expressed support for churches and families that cut ties with the scouts, but it stopped short of calling for an all-out boycott. another big topic of discussion was how to expand outreach. membership declined nearly one percent last year, although with 15.9 million members, the sbc is still the nation's largest protestant denomination. for more than 20 years, one of the most prominent sbc voices on the national stage was that of ric