for more on loughner's time in court, we turn to michael kiefer of the "arizona republic." thank you, michael, for covering this for us. what did he plea and how did it come out? >> actually his attorney allowed or asked the judge to enter a plea for him, a plea of not guilty. it's pretty much a procedural thing. the most interesting thing i think is that as in his earlier appearance he smiled all the way through it. he laughed, seemed to laugh as if at some private joke. the rest of it, as i said, was procedural. a motion to move the proceedings down to tucson because the victims and the witnesses are down there and.... >> ifill: i want to ask you about that. but i want to go back to this question of his demeanor. we just saw some sketches that showed him wearing glasses and an orange jump suit. how was he led in, how was he led out? did he stand or sit or speak? >> no, he did not speak. he was brought in in an orange jump suit. in belly chains and leg irons. his hands cuffed to the chain around his waist. he came in and sat at the table and waited maybe 10, 15 minutes befo