michael kinsly review is something the crunch that you hear is larry wright bending over backwards to be fair to the church of scientology when i frankly take as a compliment. you have gone unbelievably out of the way for the tone of the book to be neutral, not to be hysterical about allegations about this or that, you are very tough on the church in the way you report, but the book comes across as really pretty measured. i have to believe that took a lot of effort. >> yeah, it did. but i think i'm -- i'm not condemning of scientologists, i don't care what people believe. i really didn't set out to write an expose. >> yeah. >> this is the most stigmatized religion, why bother to write an approximate expose. >> i thought of it is explanatory journalism. a lot of jokes about the church, people misunderstand what the church is, some people think that it's not actual religion that it's a cult. i think that's left for people to decide after reading this book whether there's some involvedty to that. but the fact is that you really explain i think if for the first time in detail, also it's a

. >> michael kinsly was looking for a editor for the left wing magazine. >> was there something thatcall him? >> he was a psychiatrist. he had no writing samples. arranged for him to come to lunch and there he was in his wheelchair and we hit it off right away. >> what did you see in him, though? >> i just enjoyed talking to him so much i had this feeling he must be able to write this down. >> krauthammer gave it a shot. as the saying goes, he wrote about what he knew. his first article the expanding shrink protested how psycho analysis was creeping into political discourse. for example the famous mel lace speech. >> they liked it they publiced it. i got lucky again. it was republished in the "washington post". it was the first time any article had been picked up bay the post. >> krauthammer wrote a few more pieces for the magazine and might have joined the staff, except he got an even more intriguing offer as a speech writer for vice president walter mondale. >> that lasted six months. when we got totally crushed in the general election. i got a call from the new republic they said