welcome back to a special edition of conversations in great minds with michael klare michael's a professor scholar and author is what a widely on topics in the u.s. military follow. to the global arms trade in global resource politics he's the author of over a dozen critically acclaimed books including his latest the race for what's left the global rambled for the world's last resources let's get back to it michael just to to sort of recap and summarize. we we've been on this planet for one hundred sixty thousand years it's been ten thousand years since the agricultural revolution it's only been since eight hundred sixty five when colonel drake drilled the first commercial oil will in titusville pennsylvania that we've been using oil in a big way and in that one hundred fifty years hundred sixty years or so our population the planet's population hit its first billion in one thousand nine hundred we had two billion in one nine hundred thirty and well into the age of oil and now we're pushing seven billion would it be fair to say that the planet without oil without our using ancient sunlight

michael klare michael is a professor scholar and author and has written widely on topics from u.s. military policy to the global arms trade in global resource politics he currently serves as the five college professor of peace and world security studies and is the director of the five five college program in peace and world security studies in massachusetts michael's writings of a period of publications like foreign affairs in the nation there's also a defense of course is also the author of over a dozen critically acclaimed books putting his latest the race for what's left the global scramble for the world's last resources michael joins me now from our new york studios michael welcome. pleasure to be with you this evening thank you for thank you so much for joining us is today on my radio show i had stephen moore the wall street journal editorial writer and and co-author with alvin laugh for i guess the laffer curve book and he was going on and on about how natural gas is going to be the salvation of america we've got all these clean cheap natural gas and fracking is going to save our country and. you know good times are here is is he right. you know in the short term this is going to be a glut of natural gas and it's going to have some positive effect speak because it's going to make coal unnecessary for producing electricity but it's not going