, host of "the michael knowles show." guest: increasingly, the distinction is blurry, especially after the president the presidency of donald trump. that distinction is blurry. we cover that angle, but russell kirk had an important observation, which is that culture is downstream of religion. we also hear of the patron saint of hollywood conservatives that says culture is downstream of religion and these questions are not two easily separated. we like to go everywhere from the headline all the way down to the philosophical and theological premises that undergird those issues. host: do you have an example of a headline you're looking at in today's things that you are covering? what are the cultural underpinnings? guest: the clearest example is this transgender issue. you saw the governor from arkansas last night did not do a good job defending his position on television. he tried to make the argument it is somehow conservative to give little children cross ex hormones and puberty blockers. at the top of all, you see the he

, host of "the michael knowles show." guest: increasingly, the distinction is blurry, especially after the president the presidency of donald trump. that distinction is blurry. we cover that angle, but russell

host: this is michael knowles of "the michael knowles show." maria in new jersey, independent line.r: good morning, pedro. your guest has a very elegant mind and i appreciate that. i would like to get back to something he said. i think it was jefferson who said eventually our country will be saved by the people, and i feel that we can't wait for all of these elections. most of our government are full on agents. there are petitions to recall of them right now. second, this $11 trillion shortfall at the pentagon that has not been accounted for, we are in secret wars all over the world, and we have five eyes which gives written in the commonwealth all of our secrets. so it is nice to talk about party versus party, but it ought to be citizens of the united states against [indiscernible] i think the battle has to start and ernst -- in earnest now. guest: those are a bunch of great questions and comments. what a lot of people are going to say when they listen to you is maria, these are crazy conspiracy theories you're talking about. there's no way a foreign spy could ever influence the u.

went from a calm person and ahma a mad dog and a raging animal. >> when i think of michael knowles describinge ahmad mad . the fact that the killer describing the victim as n non-human. that says everything we need to know about hate crime. tiger knowles is detached from his own humanity, he lost sight of the fact that he's behaving in a beasley matter in an animalistic manner. >> michael was a strong person. he was a strong person. so he was justo over powered. he probably got tired. i knew he fought him. i knew he did. >> and then we killed him. >> and henry went to get the rope and we put the rope around his neck. henry was pulling the rope around his neck. henry and i put him in the truck of the car. henry cut his throat. >> and we took him back to mobile. and lynched him. >> just imagine that, a person brutally beaten and their throat was cut and then hung from a tree? my god, i mean your heart just just drops and you think of the family of that child because he was 19-years-old. >> when tiger knowles described what he had done, he told us how he felt then. henry said we are not going to

and went from a calm person to a mad dog, a raging animal. >> when i think about tiger knowles describing michaele fact that the killer is describing the victim as nonhuman. that says everything we need to know about hate crime. tiger knowles is so detached from his own humanity, he's lost sight of the fact that he's behaving in a beastly manner in an animal-like manner, in an an animalistic like manner, that he is providing moral commentary on michael donald's behavior as someone desperately trying to fight for their life. >> michael was a strong person. he was a strong person. so he was just overpowered. he probably got tired. but he was a strong person. and i know that for a fact. he fought them. i knew he fought them. i knew he di. >> he was hit way over -- at least 200 times with a limb that was found. >> and then we killed him. >> and henry went and got the rope and put the rope around his neck. henry put his foot on mike's head and was pulling on it to hold his head secure while we tightened the noose. henry and i put him in the trunk of the car. henry cut his throat. >> and we took him ba

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i think people -- again, like in schapiro, michael knowles, alicia krause, art leffler, who was an advisor to ronald reagan, these are the speakers we bring on campus and we routinely see attempts to block or at least attempts to indirectly block by putting up these unreasonable and unrealistic barriers. any talk about diversity. paul after poll shows -- this is not disputed -- that when they survey, particularly in the liberal arts, that campus after campus there are no republican or conservative views on many of these campuses. the odds are clearly stacked against it. this is not about specific issues. this is about people who identify as being conservative or liberal. our argument is, particularly on a college campus where free speech should be revered and taught and reinforced, that is the place where we see most under risk. host: sam in new york. where do you go to college? caller: i went to binghamton university. i grew up in wisconsin. that was a great experience, but i go to school at binghamton university now. i want to echo some of the points former governor is making. it is not

i think people -- again, like in schapiro, michael knowles, alicia krause, art leffler, who was an advisornald reagan, these are the speakers we bring on campus and we routinely see attempts to block or at least attempts to indirectly block by putting up these unreasonable and unrealistic barriers. any talk about diversity. paul after poll shows -- this is not disputed -- that when they survey, particularly in the liberal arts, that campus after campus there are no republican or conservative views on many of these campuses. the odds are clearly stacked against it. this is not about specific issues. this is about people who identify as being conservative or liberal. our argument is, particularly on a college campus where free speech should be revered and taught and reinforced, that is the place where we see most under risk. host: sam in new york. where do you go to college? caller: i went to binghamton university. i grew up in wisconsin. that was a great experience, but i go to school at binghamton university now. i want to echo some of the points former governor is making. it is not a very

knowles was 17 years old at the time. bennie hayes was just as culpable and should have been held accountable. >> around the time that the michaele. >> i had tiger knowles testify, i got hope from the attorney general rat of the united states at the time and they broke every rule you could break to get him down to mobile. i concentrate on information that he could give me about who was involved in this planning session down there in mobile the week before this all happened. he got on the stand and in detail told exactly what happened. he pointed out people sitting out there that individuals who was at tha him that photograph the face of michael donald, and you could see on the photograph a boot print because when they put the rope around his neck, they put the boot against both sides of his face, pulled on it until there is no breath left in him. i know mrs. donald couldn't help but have seen that picture when it was passed on to the jury. at the end of the trial, he looked over at mrs. donald and he looked at her sitting there at the table. >> he said that his own family had turned against him. and he also say he didn't have a

pattern of violence that this group had encouraged around the time the michael donald lynching took place. >> when i had tiger knowlesthe attorney general of the united states at the time, and they broke every rule you could break to get him brought down to mobile. i concentrated on information that he could give me about who was involved in this planning session down there in mobile the week before this all happened. he got on the stand and in detail told exactly what happened. he pointed out people sitting out there, the individuals who was at that meeting that night and their knowledge of everything. he talked about the united klans of america head, robert shelton. i showed him that photograph of the face of michael donald, and you could see on the photograph a boot print because when they put the rope around his neck, they put the boot against both sides of his face, pulled on it until there was no breath left in him. and i know ms. donald couldn't have helped but have seen that picture when it was passed on to the jury. at the end of the trial, he looked over at ms. donald. he looked at her sitting there at that

>> 19-year-old michael donald's body was found hanging from a tree on herndon avenue on march 21st of 1981. >> today fbi officials announced the arrest of james "tiger" 'noles. mr. knowles jim bodman reported the information up their chain of command to the u.s. attorney's office. >> when he was told that he had to cooperate fully to save his life, thomas figgins and myself met in one of the courtrooms with tiger. he showed up at that point in time. i said okay, tiger, tell again exactly what you told me. he starts telling him. >> i don't know all the negotiation that's were involved. i trusted the lawyer. and i ended up giving a plea deal. >> i was the one that said no, we're not going to give this guy a deal. he had confessed. and it was a free, knowing, and intelligent incriminating statement. >> then the question was what to do about henry hayes, who was 26 years old. and i thought it was a death penalty case. this will not be tolerated. we cannot allow that kind of violent brutal murder in a hateful group. we decided, a decision was reached that it would be tried by the state district attorney, and alabama had a death penalty at that time. i wanted the african-amer

three days before michael donald was murdered, we had a private meeting which we would have every wednesday for just klan members. >> bob eddy knew who was at that klan meeting. tiger knowlesfrank cox, teddy kyzar, henry hayes, and bennie hayes, the second highest ranking klansmen in the state of alabama. >> bennie hayes was a grand titan, which is the third highest ranking official in the united klan. >> bennie jack hayes was a hard-nosed businessman, and he could drop a mine in his pocket and pull out a quarter. bennie jack was a very detailed man. he was pure evil when he set his mind to it. >> henry hayes was bennie hayes' son. he was a lifetime member. he was secretary/treasurer. he collected the dues and the minutes and stuff like that. >> he was a holdover from the '60s. he was doing his best to be a hippie. he loved to smoke dope. but henry was a very lovable young man. he made sure to please daddy. if daddy caught on to some stuff he was doing, his daddy would discipline him harsh. even in his adult life, he let his daddy do with him what he wanted to. taylor knowles was an entrepreneur on the equal of bennie jack hayes. he was very ambitious. he had his hands in

people like ben shapiro, katie pablo, michael knowles, alicia krause. one was an advisor to ronald reagan. these are the types of speakers we bring on campus. we see either outright attempts to block, or attempt to indirectly block by putting up unreasonable and unrealistic barriers. then you talk about diversity. poll after poll shows, when they surveyed in the liberal arts and areas like political science, campus after campus, there are no republican or conservative views on campus, or very few. the odds are clearly stacked against it. this is not about specific issues, but people who identify as conservative or liberal. our argument is, particularly on a college campus, where free speech should be revered, not just upheld, but taught and reinforced, that is where we see it most under risk. host: sam in new york. where'd you go to college? caller: i went to binghamton university in wisconsin. i grew up in wisconsin and that was a great experience. i want to echo some points former governor walker is making. it is not an open environment for conservati