and what michael knowles, yeah, that's his name michael knowles. and i think the most important thing for us to remember as trans people and then as people in general is that when we dehumanize people, we dehumanize ourselves. and i have to i want to say what brene brown says about dehumanization she defines dehumanization as moving a particular group of people into a place of moral exclusion. and she uses that phrase moral exclusion because we as human beings are not hardwired to harm each other. we we have empathy and we love each other. but if a group of people is rendered subhuman, the nazis use the term untermenschen subhuman then we can take away their rights then we can abuse them and commit violence against them. so we've seen the systematic dehumanization of trans people in the media and in policy proposals on both the left and the right, and now that we've been sufficiently dehumanized, now they have impunity to just take away all our rights stigmatize us, scapegoat us and so for me, as a trans person, 52 years old, in therapy for 24 year

. >> my name is michael knowles. i am an asylum officer with u.s.ship and immigration services. i am the executive vice president of the amge national citizenship and immigration services council 119. >> i am sharia smith, a dallas-based civil rights attorney at the u.s. department of education where i also serve as the union president for my almost 3000 colleagues in this agency nationwide. i did read after his election, statements about eliminating the agency. and i think it is shortsighted. certainly for -- perhaps he has not had to interact with our agency because his own children, he has been able to afford to educate them privately. but that is not the situation for most americans. >> when our future boss, the president, is passing the message that we do not belong here, many of us lose our jobs. that our families will suffer. we may be forced to relocate to other areas. we care. we suffer. employees are fearful, scared for the jobs, for their families. many of them are already considering leaving. >> that would hold people more accountable to

. >> the president elect's son made the comments on his podcast, triggered telling co-host michael knowles. knowles is justified given how the media has behaved. listen to this just because they've been there longer, it's like the way congress functions. >> like you get a committee not because you know anything about banking, but because you've been there longer. and it's like, right. doesn't seem like a great way to do things. so we've had that conversation. like that's a great idea. don i was like, i think we should do this. and so that may be in the works he says the move will blow up some heads. >> cnn chief media analyst brian stelter is here. brian, take us inside the white house briefing room. who decides who gets the spot and where they sit? >> the white house correspondents association decides the seating chart for the 49 assigned seats, but there are ways for an administration to get around that. during trump's first term in office, he went through long stretches without having any press briefings at all. and sometimes when his press secretaries did have briefings, people would s